Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mintaka!spdcc!tauxersvilli!alphalpha!nazgul From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: Re: The Hardy Few Message-ID: <1991Apr9.003221.14560@alphalpha.com> Date: 9 Apr 91 00:32:21 GMT References: <1991Apr5.023527.16647@alphalpha.com> <1991Apr6.072832.4012@cs.ubc.ca> <50d9ecab.cb12@dabo.citi.umich.edu> Distribution: comp,world Organization: none Lines: 37 In article <50d9ecab.cb12@dabo.citi.umich.edu> rees@citi.umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes: >I don't think anyone is defending the DM as a window manager. I use tvtwm >myself. The parts of the DM that I like are the fast, server-based >universal editor (you can do this with emacs but it's slow) and the pads. I'll defend parts. The keydef capability is unmatched by any window manager other than gwm (actually, that might be a better choice than Mwm for building a psuedo-DM under X, but I'd rather see the improvements in Mwm). The ability to do everything from the keyboard is a major plus. Futhermore there are some features of the DM that are implemented poorly in other window managers. Mwm in particular could definitely use the DM's concept of Pop and NextWindow. I want a window manager where I can have back my keypad keydefs for laying out windows in a grid. On the other hand, I *don't* want single-cursor/ pointer-focus back (although if you're going to do pointer focus, I think single-cursor is better than two). > For completeness, I should probably make some sort of motor vehicle > analogy but I can't think of an apt one at the moment. > >When I started running X, I went out and bought a '72 Buick that gets eight >miles to the gallon. It seemed like the appropriate thing to do. I used to say that X set everything back a generation. My DN3500 runs like a DN300 using the DM. Now having used OL and Motif I think they set it back another generation. I get apps that run at about DN400 speed. (Maybe that's why the recent HP/Apollo was called a 400? :-) Ironicly, I think the platform independence of X is its major benefit. I could do without the remote display code. -- Alfalfa Software, Inc. | Poste: The EMail for Unix nazgul@alfalfa.com | Send Anything... Anywhere 617/646-7703 (voice/fax) | info@alfalfa.com I'm not sure which upsets me more: that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.