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From: bjb@pyramid.pyramid.com (Bruce Beare)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: System 7, and MacX
Summary: MacX and System 7 (the answer)
Message-ID: <150811@pyramid.pyramid.com>
Date: 4 Apr 91 13:34:04 GMT
References: <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> <51143@apple.Apple.COM>
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In article <51143@apple.Apple.COM>, bell@Apple.COM (Mike Bell) writes:
> In article <150696@pyramid.pyramid.com> bjb@pyramid.com (Bruce Beare) writes:
> >I'm trying to get System 7 and MacX to talk to each other. The problem
> >that I am having is that the communications tool box and Ethertalk don't
> >want to install on my 7.0 disk.
> >
> >If I use the installer version that came with MacX, they complain about
> >the system 7 system file. I tried to take the 'new' installer from the
> >7.0 CD-ROM -- and got some *limited* success. I copied it onto copies of
> >the Ethertalk and CTB floppies. The installer put CTB in the 7.0 system
> >but would not put Ethertalk in.
> >
> >Unfortunately, CTB didn't work after I rebooted -- AND the process of
> >installing seems to have zapped another one of the system extensions (DAL).
> >
> >Does anyone know the proper procedure for this? Please post the reply as
> >I suspect that others will (soon) be having similar problems.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Bruce Beare
> >bjb@pyramid.com
> >
> >
> >BTW - just for kicks, I tried MacinTalk with 7.0 -- it seemed to work better
> >      then it did with 6.0.7. Some programs still crashed, or didn't make any
> >      sounds -- but others seemed to work just fine. I have no idea how safe it
> >      is to run it for an extended period of time.
> 
> 
> 
>    System 7.0 has the comm toolbox built in !!!; you don't have to run the
> installer. Just drag the MacTCP tool onto the system folder, and it will be 
> put in the right place !
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 				Mike Bell
> 
> 
Thanks Mike. It turns out that my problem was, indeed brain damage (UBD). If you
install on a system that does not have an ethernet card, the installer
doesn't bother to put ethertalk in. Since I used the 'easy' installer, I
didn't notice that I had the option of installing Ethertalk from the
standard installation script. Another problem was that the finder guesses
wrong about where to put MacTCP in the system folder. Here's another reply
from another Apple Employee who also helped out. Thanks Guys!

>Reply to:   RE>Problem with 7.0 + MacX
>Yes.  The Comm Toolbox is built into System 7.0.  The EtherTalk driver is
>installed using the 7.0 installation floppies or CDrom (see the installer
>options under Customize).  By the way, the ethertalk software is installed by
>default on machines that support Apple EtherTalk cards and have them inside.
> 
> One other problem you'll have: MacTCP has to be in your SYSTEM FOLDER -- not
> in the Control Panels folder.  You can put an alias into your Control Panels
> folder, but the real MacTCP driver has to be in the System Folder.  You can
> accomplish this by fooling the Finder (it wants to put things dragged into the
> System Folder icon into their proper place) by dragging the MacTCP file to the
> System Folder WINDOW -- not the icon -- and rebooting.
>  
>  Also, if you don't have MacX >= 1.1, don't bother trying it on System 7.0.