Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!wuarchive!decwrl!mcnc!uvaarpa!murdoch!dalton.acc.Virginia.EDU!ds4a From: ds4a@dalton.acc.Virginia.EDU (Dale Southard) Newsgroups: rec.skydiving Subject: Re: Fatality In Colorado Message-ID: <1991Apr5.191201.27413@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: 5 Apr 91 19:12:01 GMT References: <2734.27FA00E3@ehsnet.fidonet.org> <1991Apr5.001044.20834@athena.mit.edu> Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Lines: 30 Ireallyam: ds4a In article <1991Apr5.001044.20834@athena.mit.edu> toad@athena.mit.edu (John P. Jackson) writes: >In article <2734.27FA00E3@ehsnet.fidonet.org> SKYDIVE@f15.n233.z1.FIDONET.ORG (SKYDIVE) writes: >>Reply-to: NICK.DI@p0.f412.n202.z1.fidonet.org (NICK DI GIOVANNI) >>Fido-To: uiucuxc!hpfelg.fc.hp.com! >> >>guys was doing AFF too and that one guy is just as dead. It really >>makes this the second. The fact the JM's didn't have tickets is spitting >>hairs. > > So, are you saying that any ol' jumper is qualified to perform AFF > training, and formal certification for such activity is merely a > formality? Come on.... Actually, only one of the AFF J/Ms in the first fatality was unrated. He was "posing" as a rated J/M and had been doing so for a while. I think Nick's point was that just cause the first fatality wasn't up to USPA standard doesn't make it a non-AFF fatality. While we're discussing it, has anyone ever had their AFF rating checked at a new DZ?. I have jumpmastered/instructed AFF/SL at three DZ's and have never had any of them check my ratings. Perhaps that's why I keep skydiving -- the TRUST of complete strangers. Gives me that "warm-fuzzy" feeling every weekend. --> --> Dale UVa (ds4a@virginia.edu)