Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: benning@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: RE: MISconceptions about JW's Message-ID: Date: 5 Apr 91 08:51:22 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 52 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article alan@syacus.acus.oz.au writes: >>True, Jehovah's Witnesses cannot be Christians by definition. >> Also, they do not believe that Christ paid their debt in >> full at Calvary, thus their belief is a mixture of faith in >> "another Jesus" (2 Corr 11:4) and works for salvation. >What has ever left you with this idea? Did you get this info from Jehovah's >Witnesses or someone who writes anti-JW books? >Steve Peterson ------------- Steve, I work with three JW who DON'T Believe that there sins have been fully paid for by the death of Jesus. They DO believe that only 144,000 will be fully saved (Rev 14) and the rest of us must win salvation through "good deeds" as defined by their leadership. I have had a few (2 or 3) come to my home and I ask them if I can be fully saved through Messiahs atoning blood? They have told me that HIS atonement is a partial form of redemption, and after believing, we must do "good deeds" to win the rest of the salvation G-d is willing to provide us. I have also found the "anti-JW books to be consistent with the beliefs of my co-workers. I use "The Handbook of todays religions" by Josh McDowell. He is very consistent to describing the beliefs of those in JW. I have just recently received a tape made by some former JW leaders. It is put out by JEREMIAH FILMS, and is called WITNESSES OF JEHOVAH. They put it out to reveal the inner core of the organization. Some very interesting points are made by those who spent time in the "Governing Body." It shows how first, it was predicted that in 1874, Jesus would return to Earth and in 1914, THE WORLD WOULD END. This was published in Zions Watchtower. Then when 1914 passed, the date was changed to 1915, then 1918. Again in 1925 the same prediction was forcast, and again in 1941. The last due date as predicted by the Watchtower Society was 1975. After all these false predictions, the unknowing sheep still follow the false shepard. One of the leaders is Raymond Frans. They also expose the "New World Translation" by talking to those who the Watch Tower publishers quote out of context to validate their bible. These men speak out about the bad renderings in translating hebrew and greek the New World bible has. The tape is just filled with great information. I'm not sure if it is available on the market ( a friend at work make it for me ). B. Benning -----------