Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!princeton!njin!paul.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: ph600fev@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Robert O'Barr) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Sexism in the church?? Message-ID: Date: 8 Apr 91 02:07:10 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 36 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article ta00est@unccvax.uncc.edu (elizabeth s tallant) writes: >In article , JKH107@psuvm.psu.edu (Joy Haftel) writes: >> Genesis 3:16 >> >> I Timothy 2:11-15 >> "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not >> a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in >> silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, >> >> I find the passage in Timothy offensive. It seems as Paul is taking his >> them. Any thoughts or comments would be welcome. >> > >One of the explanations that I heard from this passage comes from (believe it >or not) a Baptist male preacher. He said that the letter was directed to a >particular church (I cannot recall which) where the women and men were >having problems with each other, and the women were disrupting the church >services as a result. The preacher said that the letter was solution to a >particular problem in one church, and is not meant to apply to to all of us. I've noticed quite a bit of commentary about this scripture. It may be convenient and reassuring to some congregations that a preacher would say something like this but is this speculation on the preachers part or is it truly a documented fact? What we should be asking ourselves is what is the evidence in the Bible that women were or weren't allowed to rule in the church? The decision on what to allow today rightly belongs to the respective churches, organizations, and congregations but we shouldn't try to change the history of the early church. I would suggest that someone who has access to an online bible find all the new-testament scriptures that have "women/woman" in them and this way we can see not only what The apostles had to teach about the matter to one specific congregation but to the church as a whole. Robert