Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!apple!ntg!slandrum From: slandrum@ntg.uucp (Stephen Landrum) Newsgroups: comp.compression Subject: Re: You can't get something for nothing. Keywords: Pi, PI, transcendental Message-ID: <60@goblin.ntg.uucp> Date: 12 Apr 91 19:05:06 GMT References: <4931@pink1.UUCP> <1991Apr10.193417.28193@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Apr11.044640.20930@colorado.edu> Reply-To: slandrum@ntg.UUCP (Stephen Landrum) Organization: New Technologies Group, Inc. Palo Alto CA Lines: 18 In article <1991Apr11.044640.20930@colorado.edu> weverka@spot.Colorado.EDU (Robert T. Weverka) writes: >In article <1991Apr10.193417.28193@agate.berkeley.edu> greg@math.berkeley.edu writes: >A sloppy proof to that effect (but simple) >suppose we want to compress a ten digit number (decimal) >the chance of matching the first digit to a digit in the pi sequence is 0.1 >the chance of matching the first two digits to two digits in the pi seq. is 0.01 >the chance of matching all ten is 10^-10. > so the description of where the ten digit sequence occurs in the sequence >of pi digits is a number of size 10^10 and to store this we need 10 digits. > ---> no compression QED BFD . Actually the problem is worse. There is ~1/e probability that the 10 digit sequence you are looking for does NOT occur in the first 10^10 digits. You may need more than 10 digits to store the location of your number in PI. -- Stephen H. Landrum VOICE: (415) 813-8909 UUCP: ...apple!ntg!slandrum USNAIL: New Technologies Group Inc. 2468 Embarcardero Way, Palo Alto CA 94303