Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!news.funet.fi!hydra!cc.helsinki.fi!jalkio From: jalkio@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Amiga/NeXT flames (Was Re: Amiga OS *IS* state...) Message-ID: <1991Apr10.135816.5924@cc.helsinki.fi> Date: 10 Apr 91 13:58:16 GMT References: <46907@ut-emx.uucp> Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 71 In article <46907@ut-emx.uucp>, greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: > [I had to post this because rn kept throwing up when I tried to follow up.] > > Michael D Mellinger writes: > > The basic NeXTstation is great for use on a network. If NeXT put a > larger drive on the low-end machine, it would cost more and then > people who network a dozen machines would have something to complain > about. It's not the ideal system for a single user system, but it's > such a great deal that it's hard to pass up. > > It's _not_ a great deal in any way for the single user. That was exactly what > I was saying before. Steve Jobs markets it as all a student needs for > college, when it's definitely the _wrong_ box if you're not putting it on a > network, and I have only heard of one college that was planning on putting > ethernet jacks in the dorm rooms... Aargh! Talk about fruitless discussion. The fact that you say some computer is _right_ or some computer is _wrong_ tells something about your attitude... I, for one, don't have the possibility to network my NeXT yet from my home. Still, I bought it. 105 MB hard disk is too small if you want to to development, but you can sure run applications like Improv with it. I also bought a 660MB Fujitsu (since I need much space for computer music research). > > Me> With 30,000 machines what kind of user groups can you expect? It's > Me> possible that you _might_ know someone else who owns a NeXT, but it's a > Me> small chance. > > I know three people. Think about it. What other machine are computer > literate people going to buy? > > Hmmm... Now considering the national ranking of the UT CS department, I'd be > willing to bet that a good number of the people here are computer literate. :) > Well, I don't know a single person who is still looking at buying a NeXT, > including those who were planning on it a couple months ago. Well, perhaps all the people you know belong to your own favourite Amiga-club :-) I guess it doesn't mean anything, but several people have sent me mail that they want to buy a NeXT and asked for more information. I don't know anybody who has even considered buying a high-end Amiga... (I don't mean to say there aren't any.) > > What computer literate person _would_ buy a NeXT? You get a non-standard Unix > port on a box that has shipped less than 30,000 units built buy a company that > several competent businesspeople have predicted will fail within a year. > Sounds like a _great_ investment to me... Well, I guess you haven't read any article about NeXT. All the magazines I have seen a NeXT review in have written _very_ positively about it/them. Such are, "Mac World", "Mac User", "Byte", "Personal Computer World", to name a few. And did you know that "Computer Language" gave their award for "the best development system of the year" for NeXTstep 2.0 with Interface Builder and Objective C. So, you see, _your_ opinion is not very popular. Surprised you? > -- > Greg Harp |"How I wish, how I wish you were here. We're just two > |lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year, > greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu|running over the same ground. What have we found? > s609@cs.utexas.edu |The same old fears. Wish you were here." - Pink Floyd Jouni Alkio, Helsinki, Finland