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From: howcome@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Hakon Lie)
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Subject: Re: Freemacs or MG2a or Epsilon?
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Date: 11 Apr 91 15:40:37 GMT
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In-reply-to: kdq@demott.com's message of 10 Apr 91 18:56:42 GMT

In article <1991Apr10.164029.8489@odin.corp.sgi.com> portuesi@tweezers.esd.sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes:
   > How can you claim that an editor without an undo facility has
   > "far more features" ?

   Epsilon has offered a multi-level Undo facility comparable to that in
   GNU Emacs for a while now. 

The version I happened to use, 3.<something> returned nothing when
doing a M-x apropos undo, but I have learned that later versions have
added this feature.

In article <1991Apr10.185642.3208@demott.com> kdq@demott.com (Kevin D. Quitt) writes:
       I've been at this game for over 20 years now (frightening thought),
   and I've used dozens of different editors (including emacs)- none of
   them can touch Epsilon.  On my current UNIX machine, emacs is 5MB on
   disk, and what's without anything loaded.  The loading process takes
   over a minute.  Emacs with everything loaded is 8MB on my machine, and
   my 8MB RAM system can't even load it! Epsilon is <80K, with another 80K
   for its state file. 

There's no doubt that GNU-emacs eats memory and is not feasible on
most laptops today. That's why I also run a stripped down version on
my 8088 laptop. Still, one must recognize that GNU-emacs offers a
bunch of neat features that a <100kbyte program can't do no matter how
hard it tries. Check out the GNU-emacs manual to see what I mean.

Therefore I do not understand claims that people prefer to run a
stripped down editor on hardware capable of running the real thing.
But then again, some people still use line editors..

Peace,

-h&kon
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