Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!crdgw1!uunet!rbj From: rbj@uunet.UU.NET (Root Boy Jim) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: X sucks (was: Re: Ware Ware Wizardjin) Message-ID: <128451@uunet.UU.NET> Date: 12 Apr 91 22:43:44 GMT References: <15785@smoke.brl.mil> <1991Apr10.194243.12882@watmath.waterloo.edu> Organization: UUNET Communications Services, Falls Church, VA Lines: 38 In fpb@ittc.wec.com (Frank P. Bresz) writes: > > Well I for one must disagree with the X sucks. I personally like >X. I am much happier than I was with sunview. I use GNU-Emacs in X mode >and I run Xterm all of the time. I am primarily a text man so I can't >speek to well for the graphics. You just haven't learned enuf about X to hate it yet. If all you do is use xterms and other text oriented stuff, then X is somewhat better than SunView simply because it is more flexible. And it runs over the network, which is an advantage as long as the destination is close. For a slew of good reasons why X is bad, read the introduction to NeWS documents from Sun. To sum the up briefly: X uses the wrong imaging model and device control is in the wrong place. X does have some nifty features. Treating widgets as objects probably works better in an object oriented language. Device independence, while done wrong, is more or less accomplished in a portable way. And a networking windowing system is definitely a step in the right direction. > I think the fact about the only set of free software is true. This >is the reason I run it. I can't see shelling out good $$$ for something >like MOTIF when I get much faster response from the stuff from MIT. > > I won't even discuss OpenWindows from Sun sans to say it is slow >and uncustomizable aside from that I don't know why I don't like it. Both MOTIF and OpenWindows are basicly the same thing: icing on the cake, which is X. I really don't know the difference either, however, any program can just use X or any other toolkit directly. -- [rbj@uunet 1] stty sane unknown mode: sane