Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!yale!bunker!wtm From: IJJT500@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (Mike Wheeler) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Re: NAD Position Paper Message-ID: <14652@handicap.news> Date: 10 Apr 91 05:05:32 GMT Sender: news@bunker.isc-br.com Reply-To: IJJT500@INDYCMS.IUPUI.EDU (Mike Wheeler) Lines: 28 Approved: wtm@hcap.fidonet.org Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference Index Number: 14652 Jack O'kieffe, You may be right in saying that you will never understand the Deaf community. But your remark about pepetuating deafnes and employment is nothing but a ignorant, narrow-minded snipe. I am a student at IUPUI (a "normal" university) in coputer science I sign, I am Deaf and I am a member of the Deaf community. If you read any of my post you would see why mainstreaming for most deaf persons doesn't work as it is really done. If only they could do it like the describe in the research papers and text books then it would probably work. But the lack of trained people and funds along with the growing class sizes make it impossible for most schools to do it propperly. As far as Signing goes you can sign and lead a normal and happy life. ASL is a natural vital and essential language and all the mud slinging that any one can do will not stop it. From 1880 to about 1955 the mid 1950's to 1960 (somewhere in there) educators tried to eliminate all sign altogether and ASL survived and will be here for a long time. I have seen to many kids sent to our local school for the deaf at age seven with no language skills after oral programs finally discarded them as hopeless only to see them become fluent in ASL. Sorry about being so emotional in this post but I have to call a spade a spade. Next time I pull one of the pieces of research I collect as a hobby to back it up. I have 1,241,322 pages of various research papers, articles and studies supporting the use of ASL and residential schools. Needless to say it fills a room. And yet there are still people and organizations trying to knock it down. (If you want to knock it down join the Alexander Ghaham Bell Soiciety and subscribe to the Volta Review)