Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!olivea!oliveb!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Hi-Tech Scorecard Message-ID: <1991Apr12.055403.14605@amd.com> Date: 11 Apr 91 13:42:54 GMT References: <1991Apr5.091907.7913@amd.com> <1991Apr6.020929.14238@amd.com> <1991Apr10.024450.21206@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse, NY Lines: 42 Approved: military@amd.com From: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen) Now that the official war if over, much of the public media has turned around and saying stuff like how bad the patriot really was. A bunch of people have also come out of the woodwork to say how bad it was.... Things like launch failures, uncontrolled flight (paths), hitting buildings... I have no problems believing that ALL of this is absolutely true. HOWEVER, it is very unfair. Essentially the patriot 'system' was intended for a point defense. This would mean using a battery (or 2) to defend a fairly small area like a airport or (large-ish) munitions dump/store. How it was generally deployed in the gulf, due to political considerations and media reports. Was nearly as a general air defense system. Funny but, throw a X-hundred pound(s) of scud in the air, then a Y-hundred pound(s) of patriot in the air and the amount of missile 'parts' landing will approach X+Y. Besides that the momentum of X going A mph & Y going B mgh will really help the large pieces to do crazy things like make gaping holes in building... Besides that, with several missiles zooming around the speed of sound towards a target (which under some conditions may not actually have been acquired by the tracking system yet, or so I understand) and that target disappears (either because it breaks up or is hit by another patriot). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see at minimum confusion of the tracking control system and have it either confuse the tops of buildings as targets or not see them in time to avoid hitting them. No matter what, in short order they will run out of fuel and return to terra firma with great impressiveness. The patriot system was barely even fired before this war, and using it in a city environment almost certainly was not something that was specifically written into the spec sheets or tested. Without a doubt, improvements to the software and hardware of the system will be made from the experience gained from this deployment. With 20/20 hindsight, the cost of deployment (missiles used, labor expended, and colateral damage) can be compare to a new estimated potential damage estimate of the scuds, and it probably can be said that using the patriots in israel cost more than they were worth. This still doesn't touch the real secondary value of the system. Doubtless, it kept Isreal out of the conflict, and provided a real defense for the chemical scud threat. -- Al. Michielsen, Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering, Syracuse University InterNet: amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu amichiel@sunrise.acs.syr.edu Bitnet: AMICHIEL@SUNRISE