Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdcad!amdcad!military From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Q-Ship Message-ID: <1991Apr13.014909.22775@amd.com> Date: 9 Apr 91 15:19:18 GMT References: <1991Mar30.020556.28498@amd.com> <1991Apr4.042746.13412@amd.com> <1991Apr5.092614.9187@amd.com> <1991Apr6.020824.13995@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: Gannett Technologies Group Lines: 24 Approved: military@amd.com From: ke4zv!gary@gatech.edu (Gary Coffman) In article <1991Apr6.020824.13995@amd.com> jtchew@csa2.lbl.gov writes: >Something tickles the back of my mind about a "Q-ship," a merchantman >filled with flotation materials and armed with ASW weapons and/or teamed >with other combatants, supposedly used in WW II to sucker and then strike >back at submarines. What flotation material was used, and did it work? As I recall, this tactic was used in WWI by the British and the floatation material was balsa wood. In addition to being very light, balsa is stronger per pound than steel. The ship would take a hit, simulate an abandon ship drill, and wait for the sub to surface to finish off the ship. Then panels would drop away and gun crews would sink the sub. This worked moderately well until the German sub commanders got wise. Then they quit using surface gunnery to finish ships and just put another torp in or sailed away. Note that to a balsa loaded ship, even a hit that "broke her back" wouldn't sink the ship. I also seem to recall that the only Q ship lost in WWI encountered a German crusier that simply wouldn't give up until it sank the ship. This is all from vague memories of a book I read some twenty five years ago called appropriately enough _Q Ship_. Gary