Xref: utzoo alt.hypertext:858 comp.multimedia:374 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!bionet!agate!garnet.berkeley.edu!thom From: thom@garnet.berkeley.edu (Thom Gillespie) Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.multimedia Subject: People who can draw Images vs. People who can't Text Message-ID: <1991Apr18.191452.5677@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 18 Apr 91 19:14:52 GMT Sender: root@agate.berkeley.edu (Charlie Root) Distribution: na Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 34 This is a response to this initial posting <1991Apr17.204748.8994@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Apr17.225701.26678@convex.com> My point which Jim seems to think has something to do with Football or Cspan on TV without sound -- not sure how this conclusion was reached -- was that part of what is going on in this discussion is that 'visual dyslexics' are trying to talk about visual images. The people telling us that pictures aren't that important can't and don't draw, they haven't been trained -- it's aproblem with schools not with the individuals. People who play music 'can' and 'do' talk about music differently than people who 'can't' play or read music. People who can draw talk about visual images differently than people who can't do anything more than cut and paste from the scrapbook. When I say draw I'm not limiting drawing to the use of pen and paper, I'm also talking about those folks skilled in using mathematical notation to manipulate 'visualization' of physics, chemistry, etc -- people who 'have been' thinking and using visual expression to greatly extend their written expression ... showing not just telling. And finally, people who can't read and write don't think or talk about reading and writing the same way that folks who can read and write do. My guess is still that most of the people discussing this issue of images vs text can't and don't draw in any fashion because they can't -- we are talking about more than just page layout, we are talking about true visual expression which extends from the walls of Altimar to modern day scientific visualization. Text is not better than pictures, pictures are not better than text, sound is not better than both text and pictures, all of them together provide expanded channels of communication, more information -- sorta like an orchestra in tune. --Thom Gillespie