Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!aero-c!robert From: robert@aero.org (Bob Statsinger) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: PITCH and COLOUR Message-ID: <1991Apr15.224139.22117@aero.org> Date: 15 Apr 91 22:41:39 GMT References: <1991Apr12.035714.10375@dgbt.doc.ca> <7983@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: Ssaymssik Lines: 45 In article <7983@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> barrett@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Dan Barrett) writes: >>>In article <1991Apr10.031342.27656@dgbt.doc.ca> ted@dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) >>>writes: >>>>[Two identical colors, in different contexts, look different.] >>>>By contrast, a person with perfect pitch will identify the pitch of >>>>a given note no matter what very different chords that pitched note is >>>>presented in. I love this topic; I just gotta stick my nose in on this one :-) Absolute pitch can be measured by two separate tasks: Pitch Production (PP) and Pitch Identification (PI) The rating on both tasks determines to what extent a subject possesses AP. PP is the ability to sing a given test tone "out of the air", or after listening to a context which does not suggest the test tone. PI is the ability to identify a played test tone (identifying tones in clusters or chords is different from identifying single tones; identification of single tones is sufficient to suggest AP). In both tasks, both the accuracy and the response times of the resonses are crucial. Accuracy is self-evident. Response time is crucial because a long delay by a subject in responding could easily indicate that *relative* pitch is being employed; that is, a pitch is being produced or identified based on the calculation of an interval from some tone for which the subject does have absolute memory. For example, violin players may have absolute memory of the 440 A; assuming they do not have AP in general, they probably use the 440 A and calculate an interval to the test tone. This latency in response is a significant feature of the statistics when analysing subject data on AP. Identification of musical notes and visual colors are comparable to an extent. Musical notes may be said to possess tone chroma and tone height; the chroma is the "C"-ness or "E"-ness of the note as absolutely identified. The height is the subjective appraiasal of the octave containing the test tone. Visual colors do not have this height attribute; there is no cyclic repetition to visible colors. But visual colors and tone chromas do seem comparable. Bob Statsinger