Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!visix!news From: amanda@visix.com (Amanda Walker) Newsgroups: comp.object Subject: Re: Object oriented software engineers (Was: Documenting OO Systems) Message-ID: <1991Apr15.210038.6992@visix.com> Date: 15 Apr 91 21:00:38 GMT References: <1899:Apr1206:12:4991@kramden.acf.nyu.edu> <1991Apr12.201053.18348@visix.com> <290@dumbcat.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@visix.com Followup-To: comp.object Organization: Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA Lines: 38 In article <290@dumbcat.sf.ca.us> marc@dumbcat.sf.ca.us (Marco S Hyman) writes: I certainly agree with Amanda on this point... but looking at the code is not enough. No argument here. However, sample code is often much more informative than grades or other certifications that are based on some "authority." In fact, I'd probably view an EDP certification as a demerit, on the grounds that anyone who would want one probably doesn't understand how I think of software :). Sigh. I think I'd like to find a few software craftsmen about now. Me too. They are hard to find. You can often take bright people coming out of college and teach them well, but finding already-experienced people is very tough. You'd think there wasn't any demand for creativity and excellence in the software industry... But I digress a bit... "Well, you know... They're ABSTRACT!" Many giggles. Sigh. One of the people on my team often asks people to write down the algorithm for "binary search." Amazing how many people this trips up... One thing that art and engineering have in common is that before you can do much of anything, you've got to know your tools. -- Amanda Walker amanda@visix.com Visix Software Inc. ...!uunet!visix!amanda -- "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory or defeat." -- Theodore Roosevelt