Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!frye From: frye@cerl.uiuc.edu (G. David Frye) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,uiuc.sys.apple2,uiuc.general Subject: Re: A2R&D vs. Apple Message-ID: <1991Apr17.055808.26958@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 17 Apr 91 05:58:08 GMT References: <1991Apr16.030552.6353@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1991Apr16.123324.21596@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1991Apr16.173306.25759@utstat.uucp> Sender: usenet@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (News) Organization: UIUC Computer-based Education Research Lab Lines: 39 I usually keep quiet during these discussions, but this time I can't resist. It strikes me that people are attempting to make a complex issue look simple. Apple is not suing the world for the use of GUI's. It just happens that a) they have the most popular one, and b) the largest independent software developer subsequently produced one which is so similar as to be frightening. When you're "number two", as Apple is in the world of personal computers, and someone produces a tool to make the "number one" product look and feel just like yours, the future of your product is in jeopardy. [ Now, one can argue about whether or not Windows 3.0 is a Mac GUI ripoff. Sure, it looks very similar, but you'd think that in six+ years Microsoft could have produced something better than a product that is just as difficult to program as the Mac, runs like a dog, eats RAM for lunch, and doesn't work for a lot of complex i/o-related applications. THIS they should fight over? ] I get the impression from reading between the lines of some postings here that quite a few people resent the philosophy of Apple, Inc. That's the complex issue I mentioned. Apple has actively worked at being "different" from the IBM world -- in user interface, in system design and performance, in marketing strategy, in emphasis on certain types of applications, and most obviously in pricing structure. It's really not possible, nor fair, to take any of those items and analyze it in isolation. They're all elements of the more general philosophy. Unfortunately, the pricing structure has created such a hostile environment that it doesn't seem possible to discuss the bigger question rationally. ----------------------------- Having said that, I'd like to applaud the people who stood up personally to the absurd rebate program. I wonder if the scheme was dreamt up locally by dealers or was a corporate plan. The prices were an insult, at best, and most departments realized that there was no real value to the buyback offer. I hope that someone at UI purchasing got burned. I hope that the apparent attempt to get around UI and State of Illinois surplus policy is noted and prosecuted. G. David Frye (This seems like a good time to point out that the above opinion is strictly personal and in no way reflects any official position of my department.)