Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!caen!uwm.edu!lll-winken!sun-barr!olivea!oliveb!veritas!amdcad!amdcad!military From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Patriot Message-ID: <1991Apr18.032836.22513@amd.com> Date: 17 Apr 91 17:58:58 GMT References: <1991Apr12.055424.14676@amd.com> <1991Apr11.033353.4075@amd.com> <1991Apr17.055525.13701@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 58 Approved: military@amd.com From: PAPAI@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jonathan Papai) More Patriot stuff, with references: >From the "Wall Street Journal", 15 APR 19, page A16 BEGIN QUOTE Scud Score Card Scud missiles fired by Iraq that reached populated areas within Israel during the Gulf War: Date Number of SCUDS Target Dead Wounded Apartments Damaged Jan 18 6 Tel Aviv 0 68 1009 Jan 18 2 Haifa 0 0 100 Jan 19 5 Tel Aviv 0 47 1589 Jan 20 Patroits Deployed Jan 22 1 Ramat Gan 3 96 1726 Jan 23 1 Haifa 0 0 900 Jan 25 6 Metro Tel Aviv 1 44 4156 Jan 25 1 Haifa 0 0 700 Feb 9 1 Metro Tel Aviv 0 27 1111 Feb 12 1 Metro Tel Aviv 0 7 436 Sources: Ma'ariv; Avner Cohen, MIT " Squables between Israeli and American Patriot operators were part of the reason for the damage, say officials involved. In one instance, the order to fire wasn't given until it was too late to hit the SCUD. In at least one other instance, the operators fired the Patriots at such a low altitude that they followed a Scud part to the ground, where they all exploded. The Patriot wasn't designed to protect cities in Israel, says an Army spokesman, because it 'couldn't keep debris from landing.' " END OF QUOTE The article goes on to discuss the political reasons behind the pro-Patriot assessment of the Army and the anti-Patriot assessment of the Israelies, including the Israeli Arrow project. The scuds apparently all broke up on re-entry to the atmosphere because they were not designed for as large a range as they were fired. This made a more difficult job of target acquisition for the Patriots. Due to this breaking up into several pieces, MIT engineering professor Joseph Shea, formerly of Raytheon, says "The Scud turned out to be a sophisticated target, almost by accident". Many more anecdotal stories about the Patriots and Scuds in the article. How about the idea of a missile that releases several decoys to distract anti-missile defence on purpose? -- Jon Papai Papai@kcgl.eng.ohio-state.edu