Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!gblock From: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Gregory R Block) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Press Release Message-ID: <11191@uwm.edu> Date: 19 Apr 91 20:13:40 GMT References: Sender: news@uwm.edu Reply-To: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Distribution: na Lines: 77 Originator: gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu From article , by kls30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Kent L Shephard): > In article <11113@uwm.edu> gblock@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: > If you don't want graphics on a Mac you are stuck. If you don't want X or > NeWS on a Sun you get command line Unix. The NeXT is no different. DP > is the display model. If you don't have DP you get nothing. It is an > entire client/server model. If you turn it off where is your window > manager. Oh I get it you want something other than DP. Righto. > I worked on a IIcx and a SE-30 both with large monitors using software > called Design Works, which is a logic design entry and simulation program. > It is very screen intensive. When running that program with simulation > off, the Mac screen updates were very slooooow. My NeXT even when it was > an '030 was never, ever that slow, even with multiple programs running. > The Mac display model when using a large screen even on an IIfx is slower > than my NeXT. 1) Was this color NeXT? Try to remember that color is always going to be slower than b/w. And it was just mentioned here that color NeXT can be quite slow... 2) It could also be the fault of the program itself. Compare two similar programs. Better yet, compare similar DTPs. Maybe Quark XPress or something on the Mac and NeXT to get a speed comparison. And then remember how much faster a 68040 is than a 68030. I'd imagine they're roughly the same update. > Postscript does run on a 68000. Next time yopu use a postscript printer > it could be a 68000 doing the processing. Remember postscript is a > uniform, device independent display model. Of course, speed is the issue here. Or I would be using Post 1.5 for ALL my printing, wouldn't I? > I've used the Mac with a large screen and it was slow, too slow. > Oh, costly. You call a NeXT costly. I have the educational price list > for Apple right here. A IIci with 80meg HD and 4mb memory is $4300 plus > I still need a keyboard and monitor. Compare to a Mac with -good- > performance a NeXT is cheap. By the time you add either a 17in mono or > color monitor to a IIci, I could have bought a NeXTstation 200 in mono > or color to compare. Don't even try to compare a IIfx to a NeXT. The > IIfx is II f***n' expensive. The educational prices for the A3000ux > aren't all that great either. Right. But this ISN'T a price issue. It's a PERFORMANCE issue. I'm not saying that QuickDraw is great. I'm saying DP is worse than QuickDraw. I could care less about a IIci, a IIfx, or even a classic. I've got an Amiga. > > Don't use the windowing system. You can always run command line Unix. > All you have to do is boot the machine and don't start the window server. > But then all you get is command line Unix and no windowing system. I want a windowing system. If I want a command-line box, I'll get an Intel/IBM unix box. Period. I don't want something that doesn't have a windowing system. As a matter of fact, I don't even want commandline. Even though I'm forced into it sometimes. > > BTW - If you want wysiwyg on a Mac you go into preview mode and talk > about meltdown. I was using Adobe Illustrator on a Mac and wanted to see > exactly what it would look like when my document printed. On a IIci it > took 30 sec. and this was no complex drawing. It still turned out not > to be what was displayed on the screen, but it was close enough. Then again, it depends on the program, doesn't it? I didn't say WYSIWIG was a standard, but some programs do it better than others. The question was whether or not other computers have WYSIWIG, and you've answered the question. Thank you. :) "I love it when a plan comes together." -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All opinions are my own, and not those of my employer. Why? He doesn't know I'm doing this. -Wubba