Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas.edu From: greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Press Release Message-ID: <47641@ut-emx.uucp> Date: 22 Apr 91 15:45:07 GMT References: <11145@uwm.edu> <91dGsess1@cs.psu.edu> <47471@ut-emx.uucp> <4c9Go-jt1@cs.psu.edu> <47555@ut-emx.uucp> Sender: news@ut-emx.uucp Reply-To: greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) Distribution: comp Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 52 In article melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes: > >In article <47555@ut-emx.uucp> greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: > > Comparable. Not equal. The 1+ has a few MIPS on the 040. Of course, MIPS > means nothing. Perceived speed does, and the percieved speed of the 1+ is at > least two times as fast as the NeXT (from my experience). > >WRONG. The Sparc 1+ is rated 15mips and so is the 68040. What >percieved speed speed are you talking about? Moving windows? >Compiling programs? I've seen MIPS ratings from 10-20 on the 040, and I've been watching that chip for quite a long time. The SPARC 1+ pulls 15.8. The Solbourne S4000 (A SPARC clone) pulls 25.5 MIPS, but is only 20% faster. That tells you just how accurate the MIPS benchmark is. I'm talking about using the GUI, editing (with EMACS), compiling, reading news, and anything else you might do on a Unix box. The 1+ simply feels more responsive. > You keep trying to show how DP/NeXTStep is the be-all, end-all of UIs and that > couldn't be farther from true. In fact, I feel it has only limited use. It'd > have been nice if there had been a way to use DP when you needed it and not > use it when it was just deadweight. > >I'm simply trying to get the point acrossed that DP isn't deadweight. >Amiga users keep clamoring that DP is slow because they are >misinformed or they are making wrong assumptions like postscript >printers are slow therefore the NeXT display must be slow. THIS Amiga user isn't misinformed about DP. I've used it, and I could sit down with you in from of the NeXT and point out for hours features/apps that didn't need Postscript. For those programs DP IS deadweight. There's no denying it. I'm not saying there are not apps for which DP is perfectly suited. In fact, DTP and similar fields benefit greatly from it. Unfortunetly, that makes the NeXT niche pretty small considering most DTP is done on machines about the level of the Mac Classic. The whole idea behind it is the low price you have to pay to do it yourself. Take off those rosey glasses and really look at the machine you are using. Many Amiga owners have had to do this and come to terms with the shortfalls of the Amiga so they could be more objective. You could learn from us... Greg -- Greg Harp |"How I wish, how I wish you were here. We're just two |lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year, greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu|running over the same ground. What have we found? s609@cs.utexas.edu |The same old fears. Wish you were here." - Pink Floyd