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From: schweige@aldebaran.cs.nps.navy.mil (Jeffrey M. Schweiger)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kickstart 2.0
Message-ID: <2136@aldebaran.cs.nps.navy.mil>
Date: 23 Apr 91 18:15:05 GMT
References: <1991Apr22.084438.1975@rulway.LeidenUniv.nl> <91112.172405IO91461@MAINE.BITNET> <2133@aldebaran.cs.nps.navy.mil> <111465@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu>
Reply-To: schweige@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (Jeffrey M. Schweiger)
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Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA
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In article <111465@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> watters@anaconda.cis.ohio-state.edu (david r watters) writes:
<In article <2133@aldebaran.cs.nps.navy.mil> schweige@cs.nps.navy.mil (Jeffrey M. Schweiger) writes:
<
<>Now, for more conjecture and opinion.  I happen to agree that 2.0 should not
<>be released until it's ready.  Releasing an intermediate version of it, was,
<>IMHO, necessary for the A3000, as otherwise some of the 3000's features, not
<>presently part of other Amigas (ECS Denise, 2meg Agnus - although MegaChip
<>2000 addresses this one).
<
<This is not total true.  The A3000 also runs under OS1.3!  It should have been
<released with 1.3 if 2.0 was not ready.  Obviously C-A felt 2.0 was ready 
<enough to be released in A3000's... well then, it is ready enough to ship in
<A500's and A2000's and should be available as a upgrade for those that already
<own machines.  Everyone would understand that it was not the final or newest
<version of the OS, just as A3000 owners know this.

Yes the A3000 runs under OS1.3, but doesn't address the ECS Denise features.
ECS Denise is part of the 3000, it is not presently part of the other models.

<>I would rather wait a little while longer, and allow
<>Commodore to get 2.0 right, than to have them get stuck supporting multiple
<>configurations.   I'm also quite happy that many of the Commodore engineers
<>take time to participate on Usenet.  They don't have to. 
<
<I totally agree! However, I paid $3000 for a A2500/30.  Two weeks later the
<A3000 came out with 2.0 for $2500.  I can't even get A2091 ROMS that work
<as they should.  Why shouldn't my machine also have 2.0? My Amiga Dealer
<is still trying to tell me that the A2500/30 is C-A's flagship until the
<A3000T comes out.  ECS Denise is done!  It's going into A3000's and Rejuvinated
<A1000's... I got the 1meg Agnus... Add 2.0 and I am set!  
<So... Why can't we all get ECS Denises?  Why can't we all get 2.0?

We can't get 2.0 because Commodore says it isn't ready yet.  The ECS Denise
is going into the 3000.  However, at present, there is an incompatibility
between the ECS Denise and NewTek's Video Toaster.  Until this is worked out
maybe the ECS Denise should not be installed in the 500/2000.  With respect
to Rejuvinated 1000's:  (1) this is a third-party product, not from Commodore,
and (2) are you sure that they have ECS Denises?

By the way, I heard somewhere that the A2091 6.6 ROMs are now released.  Can
anyone from Commodore confirm?
 
<It should be all or none because I just can't see any reason why I shouldn't
<drop an ECS Denise in my machine now, and 2.0 is -=* MORE *=- stable than
<1.3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-)!!!!!!!

Depends on how you define "stable".

<
<note:  If we were talking about a couple intuition bugs being fixed or some
<       smaller commands in the C directory it would be a different story... but
<       2.0 is a totally new personality and way of life and that makes this a
<       very important issue!

Yes it is, and that makes it even more important that it be done right.

<Dave


Jeff Schweiger

Please note change in the newsgroup in the followup.  I don't think that this
discussion belongs in c.s.a.applications.

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