Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!ni.umd.edu!MIKE@UC780.UMD.EDU From: mike@UC780.UMD.EDU (Mike Santangelo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp Subject: Re: HP bias's Message-ID: <1991Apr23.201801.398@ni.umd.edu> Date: 23 Apr 91 20:18:01 GMT Sender: usenet@ni.umd.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: mike@UC780.UMD.EDU Organization: The University of Maryland, University College Lines: 76 Nntp-Posting-Host: uc780.umd.edu In article <31480023@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, campbelr@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Bob Campbell) writes: >> HP mice are "fine"? (they stink) > >I have used mice on several systems, I hate them all. > >That said, I use an HP 46060A two button mouse on my workstation. It >has never had any mechanical problems of any kind and under HP VUE is >quickly and easily configured to the way I like it. Slides easily >and is suited for left or right hand. > >What is your complaint? Maybe we can fix it in the future or suggest a >way to connect what you prefer to the system. > >> Wow, someone at HP compiles billions >> of lines of HP code on a HP box and it works, im impressed. How about >> all you ppl from HP preaching HP *ATLEAST* put some sort of disclaimer >> in your Emails. > >There are many HP boxes. Once you get it on one you should find it easy >to run on others (often without recompile). Anyone who works on large >systems is stressing the hardware, compilers and OS. That you should >take *.hp.com responses as biased should be a given, but oddly enough >we do have a bit of experience at porting to HP systems. > >> This is not the only example I have seen in the last week. It is getting >> pretty bad. It makes a difference if the opinions expressed are coming >> from employees of the same company. Since this is comp.sys.HP, how about HP >> employees making it REAL clear whose opinion they state. > >Speaking for myself, I am proud of the quality of our products. I have >used systems from every product line and all of our operating systems. >I will agree that we don't always get the features out as quickly as >someone with less of a focus on quality, but many of our customers >depend on our hardware and software reliability. Those of us who >post/email responses to comp.sys.hp are not going to reap personal >profits from selling you anything. When we post we state our OWN >opinion and not that of the Hewlett Packard Company. > >> nick > >> nick@umuc.umd.edu >> These are MY comments. > >Your posting sounds as if something set you off. Please remember >that most of us here are ineloquent techies. We have a product (S700) >that has many of us excited, and don't always know that much about >the competition. We all post our own opinions, when the Company >posts, it has the unmistakable touch of lawyers. If there is >anything I can help you with, please feel free to send email. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Campbell Some times I wish that I could stop you from >campbelr@hpda.cup.hp.com talking, when I hear the silly things you say. >Hewlett Packard - Elvis Costello Well put Bob. After reading all of this, your point of view seems quite accurate to me. I myself have worked with many different vendor's systems and operating systems over the last 10 years. I agree with your assertions about HP quality and its practical conservativeness to keep it that way. We have an HP9000/835 system and overall I can say we are quite pleased with it. We have indeed ported quite alot of software out their 'on the net' and most things do port okay, the things that haven't are relatively few and far between. The system is used to teach UNIX, C, and database concepts (using Informix) to our students. We are the Adult Education Center for the University of Maryland at College Park, so most of our clients are From the Washington DC area. By the way, I work with Nick Lemberos (he posts as nick@sura.net). :^) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Michael F. Santangelo + Inet: mike@uc780.umd.edu VMS / UNIX Systems + mike@socrates.umd.edu Academic Computing UMUC + Bnet: MIKE@UC780 (The University of Maryland, + MIKE@UMUC (not visited often) University College) +