Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uunet!visix!nsx!ed From: ed@nsx.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Devinney) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: We need a student developer program Message-ID: <1991Apr22.134730.2903@visix.com> Date: 22 Apr 91 13:47:30 GMT Article-I.D.: visix.1991Apr22.134730.2903 References: <1612@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> Sender: news@visix.com Reply-To: ed@visix.com Distribution: usa Organization: Institute for Advanced Latency Lines: 33 In article <1612@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu>, vrm@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Vasile R. Montan) writes: |> Maybe not at the moment. But it is in Apple's long-term interest to |> have as many able Mac programmers as possible. A programmer in school |> today is a programmer in the professional world two or three years |> down the road. There has been de facto Apple support of Student Developer programs through the early efforts of the Apple University Consortium, which pushed universities to develop courseware for the Mac. These programs worked pretty well (at least for me!) at bootstrapping Mac programmers, but the costs are pretty high. Administration, equipment, and planning all have to be full-time jobs, and learning the Toolbox is a full-time job itself. At Drexel University's Software Development Group, we were able to do well because the co-op program let us work full-time 1/2 the year, and then part-time during school, after we were up to speed. But even with 6-month full-time stints, it was very hard to get lots of good work done, and I think that the rate of return on investment on the part of the school was too low. How about students forming independent groups and learning from each other? Pool your knowledge, pool your resources, and find some faculty members with some grant money who need something done. It's not that tough. ed -- ed devinney ed@visix.com Visix Software Inc., Reston, VA ...!uunet!visix!ed "Elvis needs boats, Elvis needs boats, ElvisElvisElvisElvisElvisElvisElvis needs boats!" - Mojo Nixon