Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!bjones From: bjones@Apple.COM (Bruce Jones) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Shutting down the Finder Keywords: Installer, Finder, System 7 Message-ID: <13127@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 20 Apr 91 05:05:27 GMT Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 116 In article <1954@camex.COM> kent@sunfs3.Camex.COM (Kent Borg) writes: >It does? Are you sure you are not judging based upon the fact that >the 800K floppies are really running 6.0.7 as they install 7.0, and >they do not run MultiFinder? Sorry, you're wrong. The System we run when booted off the 800K floppies is a VERY SEVERELY castrated System 7.0. During the installation of 7.0 most of the file (depending on your hardware configuration) gets copied to your target. No Finder on that first disk, not much of a System, but it's very much System 7. Believe me 6.X.X is breathing its last breaths. Also, >In article <=B5_#A_@smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes: >It seems to be possible to kill the Finder. The 7.0 Installer does it, for >instance. I don't know how it does this; it probably just sends the Finder a >QUIT AppleEvent. >(Those newfangled events have to be good for _some_ things. ;-) > >Whether killing off the Finder is a good idea is another question. >I don't think so. That dang Installer, mighty smart kido... Yes, the Installer does shutdown the Finder. We actually send an AppleEvent to the process manager (aka MultiFinder) to shutdown all applications. Since the Finder is an application (though a wee bit special) it gets shutdown as well. Why did we do this? A couple of reasons. First, it provides a lot more free memory which speeds up installations quite a bit. Second, when installing from floppies, we don't have to fight with the finder for each floppy. It is very very difficult to persuade the finder never to ask for old installation source floppies. Plus it speeds things up a bit. Since the Installer is always copying & modifying files, if a window such as the System Folder is open, the Finder can spend a noticable amount of time trying to keep everything updated. Installation is cleaner, faster, and easier without the Finder around. Is it unsafe for a user to shut down the Finder? Nope. Is it inconvenient? Yep. Can you believe this? I actually have free time to post a NetNews article. System 7.0 must be close to finished :-) Bruce -- =============================================================================== Bruce Jones bjones@apple.com Manager, Applications Group AppleLink: BRUCE.JONES Macintosh System Software 7.0 Team 408 974-3454 Apple Computer, Inc 20525 Marianni Avenue MS 81BB Cupertino, CA 95014 =============================================================================== Subject: Shutting down the Finder Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.system Keywords: Installer, Finder, System 7 In article <1954@camex.COM> kent@sunfs3.Camex.COM (Kent Borg) writes: >It does? Are you sure you are not judging based upon the fact that >the 800K floppies are really running 6.0.7 as they install 7.0, and >they do not run MultiFinder? Sorry, you're wrong. The System we run when booted off the 800K floppies is a VERY SEVERELY castrated System 7.0. During the installation of 7.0 most of the file (depending on your hardware configuration) gets copied to your target. No Finder on that first disk, not much of a System, but it's very much System 7. Believe me 6.X.X is breathing its last breaths. Also, >In article <=B5_#A_@smurf.sub.org> urlichs@smurf.sub.org (Matthias Urlichs) writes: >It seems to be possible to kill the Finder. The 7.0 Installer does it, for >instance. I don't know how it does this; it probably just sends the Finder a >QUIT AppleEvent. >(Those newfangled events have to be good for _some_ things. ;-) > >Whether killing off the Finder is a good idea is another question. >I don't think so. That dang Installer, mighty smart kido... Yes, the Installer does shutdown the Finder. We actually send an AppleEvent to the process manager (aka MultiFinder) to shutdown all applications. Since the Finder is an application (though a wee bit special) it gets shutdown as well. Why did we do this? A couple of reasons. First, it provides a lot more free memory which speeds up installations quite a bit. Second, when installing from floppies, we don't have to fight with the finder for each floppy. It is very very difficult to persuade the finder never to ask for old installation source floppies. Plus it speeds things up a bit. Since the Installer is always copying & modifying files, if a window such as the System Folder is open, the Finder can spend a noticable amount of time trying to keep everything updated. Installation is cleaner, faster, and easier without the Finder around. Is it unsafe for a user to shut down the Finder? Nope. Is it inconvenient? Yep. Can you believe this? I actually have free time to post a NetNews article. System 7.0 must be close to finished :-) Bruce