Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!aero-c!nadel From: uunet!igor!rutabaga!jls@ncar.UCAR.EDU (Jim Showalter) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: clarity and naivete Message-ID: Date: 13 Apr 91 01:48:34 GMT References: <1991Apr8.175404.9017@aero.org> <1991Apr9.143339.2651@arris.com> Sender: uunet!igor!news@ncar.UCAR.EDU Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 19 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Status: R Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org >Soc.feminism could be a very valuable resource for learning. It isn't >right now precisely because too few of its contributors bother to >study *anything* about the relevant topics. Jeanne Dusseault seems to >be an exception to this rule. We need more such "opaqueness" -- much >more. Some of us don't bother to quote feminist tracts because we've read enough of them to conclude that they're largely a crock of shit. To wit, I categorically reject Susan Brownmiller's contention that all men are rapists (this is JUST as bigoted and hateful a statement as "all blacks are shiftless"), and Dworkin's contention that all pornography is violence against women. I might start reading feminist stuff again if anyone could convince me that it had improved to the point where it was no longer offensive, bigoted, biased, hateful, defensive, shrill, humorless, unsupportable, gibberish. -- * The opinions expressed herein are my own, except in the realm of software * * engineering, in which case I borrowed them from incredibly smart people. * * * * Rational: cutting-edge software engineering technology and services. *