Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!aero-c!nadel From: gcf@mydog.UUCP (Gordon Fitch) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Why I Am Not a Feminist Message-ID: <9104141120.6798@mydog.UUCP> Date: 14 Apr 91 15:20:01 GMT References: <2805efd1.34d0@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> Sender: news@aero.org Organization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA Lines: 34 Approved: nadel@aerospace.aero.org Originator: nadel@aerospace.aero.org dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes: | WHY I AM NOT A FEMINIST .... If I may condense severely, Dave Gross says he is not a feminist because "mainstream" feminists do not denounce violent or fascistic types such as Solanis, Dworkin, or Brownmiller. However, I'm unclear as to what "not a feminist" means just as I'm unclear as to what "feminist" means. For instance, for some people "feminist" means someone who struggles for equality for women. Does Dave Gross mean he won't support equality for women until Molly Yard calls Susan Brownmiller a bad name? I doubt it, but it could be so. On the other hand, such a move might prompt him to join NOW. Until we know what the speaker means by "feminist" we don't know what "not a feminist" means. Part of the problem is that feminism isn't a party or a church; it's hard to say, often, whether some idea or policy is with it or against it. When someone recites that familiar phrase "I am not a feminist, but... " they're usually about to agree with what they think of as feminist doctrine, so that this preface actually means the opposite of what is says. I think what we're hearing when we hear that phrase is the echo of an enormous campaign of distortion and self-delusion: all feminists hate men, all feminists burn bras, all feminists are totalitarians, and so on. This isn't new, nor is it a conspiracy; it's a natural class reaction to a change in the balances of privilege and power. Some feminists _do_ denounce Brownmiller and Dworkin; if someone wants to define me as a feminist, I'll give a demonstration. (In the case of poor Valerie Solanis, I must forbear; I am told she died a few years ago.) So now what, O not-a-feminists?