Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!crdgw1!uunet!ora!ambar From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: does healthy, mutual erotica exist? Summary: Advertising violent porn, right here on the net. Message-ID: <19418@cs.utexas.edu> Date: 23 Apr 91 18:30:33 GMT References: Sender: ambar@ora.com (Jean Marie Diaz) Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 37 Approved: ambar@ora.com In article <1991Apr19.213039*Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no> Steinar.Haug@delab.sintef.no (Steinar Haug) writes: > ... i would strongly mind it, though, if he read violent porn. > ... looking at female bodies and felling pleasure because they > are beautiful bodies is one thing. that to me simply presents > the attitude "here are some attractive women". violent porn > presents a different attitude, "here are some attractive women, > isn't it fun to see them get hurt?" i object to that on > principal, and i dont want it in our apartment. it's not him > reading it specifically that i mind, it's the violent porn in > general. ... Ms. Haug expresses an attitude toward violent porn that to many people seems quite natural. I would suspect that concommitant with her distaste for violent porn is some amount of suspicion of those who enjoy it. While everyone has a right to their own tastes, it stikes me that this prejudice against violent porn is just that: a prejudgment of it and those who enjoy it with very little knowledge. We have, right here on the net in the newsgroup alt.sex.bondage, a considerable group of women and men who both produce and consume this broadly detested commodity. They are some of the most reasonable and gentle people I have met on the net, which means that except when some puritan decides to flame them for their "perversions", the group has much less of the bickering and vituperatude that is so common on most unmoderated groups. The women, for the most part, are decidedly feminist in their attitude, and one subject that has been batted around on occasion is the supposed conflict between feminist ideals and S&M. I would encourage readers in this newsgroup who automatically react in revulsion to violent porn and with suspicion to those who enjoy it to perhaps browse a.s.b for a few weeks. At least then, you would be more familiar with the thing you detest and the people you mistrust. And who knows? You might find that there is not so much reason to be suspicious and mistrustful after all. Russell