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From: ge@mcnc.org (George Entenman)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: Those (henious) Information Brokers; who are they?
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Date: 26 Apr 91 12:01:31 GMT
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In article <57Hy12w164w@dogface> bei@dogface (Bob Izenberg) writes:
>kadie@herodotus.cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M. Kadie) writes:
>
>> How can this be you ask? Doesn't this contradict the ACLU's policy
>> of keeping its membership list confidential?
>> 
>> Well, the ACLU doesn't actually give the list to Greenpeace.
>
>Nice spin on that one, ACLU...  I get (let's hypothesize) ACLU mailings.
>The ACLU list begets the Greenpeace list.  I know that the junk mailer
>provides plausible deniability for both sides, but if I never was on the
>ACLU list, I'd never see the Greenpeace mailings.  One organization has
>given their mailing list to the other, even if a middleman company puts
>the mailings together.
>-- Bob

I quote the Fall 1990 issue of Civil Liberties, the ACLU newsletter:

	We never literally give one of our lists to any organization
	that is party to a rental or exchange.  Instead, we send it to a
	mailing house that prints labels on the participating
	organization's envelopes.  That organization never knows what
	names are on it unless an individual responds to the
	organizations's mailing.

Is there any reason to suspect that this is just a "spin"?  As a member
of the ACLU who is concerned about who gets my name from their list (of
course, that's a moot point now that I've posted this!  ;-) ), I
believe that organizations using the ACLU list don't see my name.  This
belief is based on trust, of course, but since I personally know the NC
CLU's staff and have met some of the national ACLU staff, I *do* trust
them.

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