Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!ucrmath!musial!rhyde From: rhyde@musial.ucr.edu (randy hyde) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: speed loss Message-ID: <13842@ucrmath.ucr.edu> Date: 24 Apr 91 16:43:59 GMT References: <9104181535.AA28525@apple.com> <1991Apr20.080839.27678@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> <1991Apr23.170359.19679@nevada.edu> Sender: news@ucrmath.ucr.edu Reply-To: rhyde@musial.ucr.edu (randy hyde) Lines: 17 >>>>> I can't speak for other systems, but the Apple II doesn't need these utilities since processor time isn't eaten up for memory refresh. <<<<< True, but the Apple II (this does not apply to the GS) only runs at 1 Mhz and needs memory which is twice as fast as the processor. The refresh (and video display) use the memory half the time and the processor the other half. This worked fine in the days when memory was twice as fast as the processor. Today, the reverse is true. Indeed, processors are many times faster than cheap memory. A 17 Mhz 65816 requires outrageously fast RAM. To get the invisible refresh it would need twice as outrageously fast RAM (something like 5ns). Since no one can afford a large stockpile of this stuff, I feel the *small* percentage of overhead required for refresh is reasonable. BTW, as processors get faster, the percentage of overhead associated with refresh goes down (of course, memory has to get faster too...).