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From: acmfiu@serss0.fiu.edu (ACMFIU)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2
Subject: a2r&d v apple
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Date: 26 Apr 91 06:10:19 GMT
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acmfiu@serss0.fiu.edu (ACMFIU) writes:

>. that is exactly why we must stop development for the apple II. it will
>. hurt apple. if it didn't, then apple is not making _any_ money off the apple
>. II, therefore apple would have to reason to keep making the machine. the
>. fact of the matter is apple goes where the money is. if the apple II
>. community let it be known that we would no longer support the machine, that
>. would have a direct effect on apple's income (how much i don't know). i
>. hope all programmers stop programming for the apple II (or release your
>. software _only_ to those who will never ever buy another apple computer.

I can't believe this. No one can be this bitter.
.
. i don't know if bitter is the word but i'm certainly not happy.
.
Albert, the lingering development for the II and its history in schools are the
only reasons Apple is still making it. The recent bit about Consumer division
means we might see some real mass-market versions of the ][ (great place for
it, given how old the 8 bit series is and how easy it would be to make it a
studly starter family machine, which is what Laser did).

If everybody agreed with Albert then the ][ would die and all active production
would stop within a month. I do not want to see this happen, I want them to
produce a "they finally got it right" GS before the line is discontinued, so
the GS will not simply fade into history after all.

Todd Whitesel
toddpw @ tybalt.caltech.edu
.
. at whos expense should they make a "they finally got it right" machine.
. it would be nice for apple to say, "OK, we'll make a hootin'-tootin' GS
. and give you a year to tell us everything you want in it. after that,
. we'll be leaving the II line permanently and devote our lives to our
. beloved machintosh computer. i would love for this to happen. because
. then i still get my apple II and know that whatever i do won't feed apple's
. grungy lawyers. but this is not reality, at least i don't think so.
.
. if everyone agreed with me the II line would be dead within a month. i
. sure wish for this but it will never happen. i'm also sure there would be
. people in the apple II software business aiming to shoot me in the head if
. i could make this decision.
.
. i hope no one out there sees me as some "kid" ('kid' i am not) who wants
. to end the II line just to end it. i do have a reason and have made that
. clear. i love my II and will always be programming for it. one of the
. reasons the II continues to live today is because of the religious
. following it has. do you see people swearing by the IBM, Sun, NeXT, etc.
. like us apple II folk are. i doubt it. that's also too bad. the II is
. one of the few remaining hacking machines. all these "today" computers
. just eat up gobbs and gobbs of memory and then kiss that "oversight"
. aside because they have some screamin' RISC chip which they spent x dollars
. on. i'm happy with my II though. what other computer ("today" computer),
. will let you drop into the internals of the machine and do as you please.
. how many "today" computer vendors encourage you to program in assembly
. (let's forget portability here). and how many of their end users get
. psyched when they spend x number of hours figuring out what address $xxxx
. is for (oops, insert more x's for them "today" 32-bit mega-machines).
.
. the II will always be alive. at least that's my naive viewpoint. the GS
. is definitely a better II. and i'm glad i have one.
.
. ps. when was the last time you programmed on your favorite mega-machine
. and the size of your program was _less_ than the size of your code?
.
. albert