Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!kth.se!cyklop.nada.kth.se!news From: d88-jwa@byse.nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: Re: New Apple Self-Help Tools Message-ID: Date: 24 Apr 91 12:17:57 GMT References: <51554@apple.Apple.COM> <23337@unix.SRI.COM> <51699@apple.Apple.COM> <1991Apr23.145006.18133@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Sender: news@nada.kth.se (Mr News) Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 47 In-reply-to: dorner@pequod.cso.uiuc.edu's message of 23 Apr 91 14:50:06 GMT MPW is a UNIX wanna-be with a few bells and whistles thrown in. NeXT has the real thing. C, Objective C, C++, Assembler. There are also LOTS more people writing UNIX tools than MPW ones. I have perl, for example on my NeXT. And I have perl on my mac. It runs A/UX. A/UX is cheaper than ETO, only $795 (ed lower, of course) > - Macsbug 6.2 (includes sample dcmds) gdb I have both. Good at different things (though I guess you could say "adb" too :-) > - MacApp (2.0.1 and experimental 3.0 versions) The entire windowing environment is written in an object-oriented manner, and you have access to just about all the classes used. And you have Interface Builder... There is so much more to an interface, a framework and an application than windows... UNIX Mee to. Obviously :-) AS WEELL AS MAC/OS !!! All this included at no charge. And if NeXT sold, say, 50000 machines a month, would the same be true ? Would the average user even LOOK at the compiler ? oh, the joys of a protected, preemptive OS... Yup. I agree with you on the systems I've priced, except NeXT. Yes, but NeXT has a major drawback (for developers, since that's what we're talking about); Very Low Market Share. Sheesh, I still know people who think the mac market is too small. -- Jon W{tte h+@nada.kth.se - Power !