Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!lgc.com!cl From: cl@lgc.com (Cameron Laird) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Info. on Infanticidal Behavior Keywords: sociobiology, reproductive energetics Message-ID: <1991Apr24.132214.19582@lgc.com> Date: 24 Apr 91 13:22:14 GMT References: <464@platypus.uofs.edu> <12606@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> Sender: usenet@lgc.com Distribution: usa Organization: Landmark Graphics Corp., Houston, Tx Lines: 33 Nntp-Posting-Host: forest.lgc.com In article <12606@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> davidh@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (David A. Helweg) writes: . . . >It seems to me that a definition such as Charnov's could be extended reductio >ad absurdum to include accidental loss of offspring. . . . To some, that's not an approach ad absurdum. Accidents also have their reasons, and it's possible that they admit scientific investigation. An example: suppose the broods of first-time vireo mothers have many more accidents than those of more experienced birds. If there's enough other evidence, we might conclude that the species "practices" with its first nests, or that those offspring are relatively expendable, or perhaps something else. It might turn out that such mechanisms can be viewed as alternatives to narrow-sense infanticide. What's crucial here is that all these possibilities are susceptible to re- search; the answers might be either true, or false, and not just matters of definition. I've lost track of this thread; maybe your point was that it's possible to lump so much into a definition that it loses its usefulness. With that I certainly agree. -- Cameron Laird +1 713-579-4613 cl@lgc.com (cl%lgc.com@uunet.uu.net) +1 713-996-8546