Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!jarthur!ucivax!gateway From: fester@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Lea Fester) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: does healthy, mutual erotica exist? Message-ID: <1991Apr24.074446.22524@beaver.cs.washington.edu> Date: 24 Apr 91 16:24:42 GMT References: <19418@cs.utexas.edu> Reply-To: fester@wolf.cs.washington.edu (Lea Fester) Organization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle Lines: 29 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: blanche.ics.uci.edu In article <19418@cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: >> general. ... >groups. The women, for the most part, are decidedly feminist in their >attitude, and one subject that has been batted around on occasion is >the supposed conflict between feminist ideals and S&M. I would >encourage readers in this newsgroup who automatically react in >revulsion to violent porn and with suspicion to those who enjoy it to >perhaps browse a.s.b for a few weeks. At least then, you would be >more familiar with the thing you detest .... No, you wouldn't. You'd be more familiar with how the people involved with S&M and who enjoy violent porn PERCIEVE and/or PRESENT themselves. Presentation is not reality, and I personally don't find self-perception to be the most accurate assessment possible. If you want to be more familiar with "the thing" itself, READ and LOOK AT violent porn and S/M literature. People can present themselves any way they want on the net. There are quite a number of people on the net who percieve themselves to be and/or present themselves as feminists, who are "into" the aforementioned. It is far more instructive, in general, to observe people closely than to listen to what they have to say about themselves. It is more instructive to find about something from the source than to trust someone else to describe it honestly and/or correctly. Leaf, ex-boob