Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ucla-cs!ucivax!gateway From: gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) Newsgroups: soc.feminism Subject: Re: Why I Am Not a Feminist Message-ID: <672612764@lime.cs.duke.edu> Date: 25 Apr 91 21:00:50 GMT References: <9104231215.aa04821@ics.uci.edu> Organization: The Piranha Club Lines: 30 Approved: tittle@ics.uci.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: zola.ics.uci.edu In article <9104231215.aa04821@ics.uci.edu> tittle@blanche.ICS.UCI.EDU (Cindy Tittle Moore) writes: >I haven't seen it before, but it is a position that I disagree with. >However, I have indicated before to Mr. Gazit that I disagreed with >various similar positions and his reaction has been, in effect, >"you're not one of the feminists that count." What I pointed out was different: There is the following process on the net: 1) X expresses some feminist anti-male position Y. 2) Non-feminists debate with X, feminist stay out of the debate. 3) *After* the debate someone says "the feminist position is Y". 4) The same feminists who stayed out of the previous debate make a big debate because they claim that the feminist position is not Y. As long as you are not willing to debate other feminists about anti-male positions, "you're not one of the feminists that count." Feel free to complain. >--Cindy Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu "That girl won't have a pulse-pounding testosterone jag that needs a war to satisfy it, either." -- The latest feminist attack in soc.men