Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jloucks@uts.amdahl.com (Jim Loucks) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Satan savable? Hell temporary? Message-ID: Date: 25 Apr 91 02:47:33 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 44 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu From article , by pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood): > I was just about to argue that Satan could be saved. I was going to > arge that the only thing keeping Satan from being saved was Satan. He > made the mistake, he went to hell. His pride is the only thing keeping > him from reconciling himself to God. ... > Then, on reflection, I realized that we humans can get pretty > philosophical about things we know nothing about. The bible doesn't > mention *any* iota about angels and their futures, outlooks, whatever. I was listening to a tape on spiritual warfare by Dr. Ed Murphy a few weeks ago. One of the tapes told of a time when Dr. Murphy was in the middle of a deliverance, when he decided to question the demon. The conversation went something like this: Murphy: What do you call yourself? Demon : I have taken on the name "Confusion" (or something similar) Murphy: Why are you torturing this woman? Demon : She invited us in. (probably slowly and without realizing it) Murphy: How many of there are you? Demon : There are three of us (I think that's what he said) Murhpy: Why don't you turn from your sins and repent to God? Demon : There has been no provision for us. For mankind there is a provision but not for us. We can't change and we won't change. Murphy: Why did you turn against God? Demon : We were deceived. Murhpy: Who deceived you? Demon : Our master (Satan) deceived us. He said we would have power over you and be able to rule and torture you at will. But you have power over us. We were deceived. Murphy: I command you to go where ever Jesus sends you. Where are you now? Demon : I am at the feet of Jesus. (or something like that) I realize the above isn't Scriptural, but I find it interesting. I don't believe Satan or his followers (demons) can be saved. Dr. Murphy's Spiritual Warfare package is an eye opener and nothing to casually listen to. I am in the process of documenting an evil supernaturalistic attack I experienced while studying this topic. If you must "dabble" in this area, please get a considerable amount of prayer support prior to studying. -- Jim Loucks {sun, pyramid, uunet}!amdahl!jloucks