Xref: utzoo comp.edu:4273 sci.math:17191 sci.misc:4997 ut.general:1561 uw.general:3366 Newsgroups: comp.edu,sci.math,sci.misc,ut.general,uw.general,uw.math.grad,york.general Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!balden From: balden@wimsey.bc.ca (Bruce Balden) Subject: Re: Subtle Math Questions Organization: Computer Signal Corporation Date: Thu, 02 May 1991 17:13:17 GMT Message-ID: <1991May02.171317.751@wimsey.bc.ca> References: <1991Apr24.142835.26475@mccc.edu> <1991May1.192513.11714@watmath.waterloo.edu> <1991May2.133856.8338@psych.toronto.edu> In article <1991May2.133856.8338@psych.toronto.edu> grant@psych.toronto.edu (Stuart Grant) writes: >>>I think you'll find that the majority of primary and secondary school >>>math teachers do not get their math education from a college's math >>>department in "regular" math courses but either from a regular college's >I agree that watered down courses in which students are not expected to learn >are not much use to anyone. However, I don't think that this is >the biggest problem with the math instruction in primary and secondary >schools. _Any_ math course taught at a college or university will be at >least as sophisticated as what teachers will be teaching in primary and >secondary schools. Not knowing how to do differential equations is not >the greatest problem math teachers have. Nevertheless, the good teacher of mathematics will have a deep appreciation of the way mathematics is actually used in the world at large and not just a good understanding of a traditional list of arithmetical and algebraic algorithms and formulas. The student who sees his mathematics teacher as inadequate, not only in the internal mechanics of the subject, but in success in making the subject relevant to the world at large, will correctly reason (YES, students are capable of reasoning) that this person has nothing of importance to tell him. Just as the coach of the football team is normally expected to be a good athlete well beyond the capabilities of the average high-school athlete, so should a high-school or even elementary school mathematics teacher be a source of inspiration. Currently, of course, we cannot attract people with the requisite combination of people and technical skills into the school system, particularly at the lower levels. Of course, the mathematics community itself is not immune to criticism in this regard. Take the college level, at which I have some experience. The "sexy" subject, regarded as the principal goal of a good engineering and science student is Calculus, which, in my experience, is one of the most bizarre and arcane subjects students ever encounter, being obsessed with complex derivative and integral calculations of dubious value. The dreary subject, reserved for "slow" student and non-specialists, is "Finite Mathematics". In my opinion, the topics in this course are far more relevant to the ordinary experiences of people than first year calculus. It is true of course, that if you want to extend these techniques and ideas much further, then you have to drag in a LOT of mathematical machinery, especially linear algebra, but there is no motivation to do so otherwise. Therefore, when the average second year student encounters linear algebra, he finds it a dry, if not extremely difficult subject and quickly forgets everything about the subject twenty minutes after the final exam. I have myself answered many net queries which would be quite unnecessary if these courses had any habit of sinking in. Let's face the basic truth: People in general lose interest in mathematics at an early age because the parts of the subject that they see are INTRINSICALLY uninteresting and unimportant. Even a slow student can figure out that his bank president doesn't know the fine points of long division. -- DISCLAIMER: Opinions expressed are my own, not those of my employer. ******************************************************************************* * Bruce E. Balden Computer Signal Corporation Canada * * Thaumaturgist 225B Evergreen Drive *