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From: KILLEEN@DECUSERVE.DECUS.ORG (Jeff Killeen Exec Committee)
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Date: 2 May 91 04:08:00 GMT
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Note 340.144                The DECUS reorganization                  144 of 145
EISNER::ELKOWITZ "who 336.32"                        21 lines   1-MAY-1991 16:36
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After much consideration and blurry eyed reading of what was posted here, I
decided to vote NO also.  I have decided to vote no, not because of the issues,
but because of the way they were presented.  In this, I cannot give much in the
way of kudos to either side.  What I have seen written seems largely out of
anger, mistrust, and paranoia.  This is mostly from the CON side.   The PRO
side on the other hand has done little to convince me that something needs to
be changed.  Some of the notes here are so angry and confusing that I cannot
tell if the note is  a PRO a CON or something else.  (and I thought that I
was the angriest person alive)

Therefore my NO vote really does not mean that I am against the change, but
that neither side has done a good job of convincing me of anything except
that a lot of people seem royally p.o. about all of this.

Perhaps next time, a little more civilized debate and discussion would be
in order.  There is not much doubt in my mind that most of us are "techies"
here at least at heart and as such we tend to be distrustful of politics
and of people who thrive in those environments.

Nevertheless, I think we, the rank and file, deserve better from all 
concerned.
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Note 340.145                The DECUS reorganization                  145 of 145
EISNER::REID_C "Curtis E. Reid"                      24 lines   1-MAY-1991 22:18
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>decided to vote NO also.  I have decided to vote no, not because of the issues,
>but because of the way they were presented.  In this, I cannot give much in the
>way of kudos to either side.  What I have seen written seems largely out of
>anger, mistrust, and paranoia.  This is mostly from the CON side.   The PRO
>side on the other hand has done little to convince me that something needs to
    
    That was my assessment tonight after reading about 20 replies.  At this
    time, I'm very unclear as to what the proposed changes really means. 
    All I can see right off is a political battle and that we, as a typical
    DECUS members, are caught in the middle.  I'm voting no for this
    reason.
    
>Perhaps next time, a little more civilized debate and discussion would be
>in order.  There is not much doubt in my mind that most of us are "techies"
>here at least at heart and as such we tend to be distrustful of politics
    
    Again, I agree with his assessment.  If the leadership were more
    civilized and took a bit more time in making the proposal known to the
    society, then perhaps we would be more tolerant and willing to listen
    to the proposal and vote accordingly.  I hope that the leadership will
    do a better job next time.
    
    	Curtis