Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!ucbvax!FTP.COM!jbvb From: jbvb@FTP.COM (James B. Van Bokkelen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Request For Info On Dynamically Acquiring IP Addresses At Boot Message-ID: <9104301857.AA16104@ftp.com> Date: 30 Apr 91 18:57:06 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: jbvb@ftp.com Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 Well, the Sun386i is the first commercial product that I heard of that did this. That was back in 1988; I think they're off the price list now. A design requirement for the product was that, on cooperating networks, unsophisticated users be able to unbox the workstation and be reading their mail, on a new user account, 15 minutes after it was physically cabled together ... and it worked! .... We own a single 386i, but not a 'co-operating' net, and never before or since have we had such a vale of tears for the systems people. If you limit the scope of the problem, you can come up with an essentially proprietary solution. General solutions aren't so easy, as anyone who's ever installed a MAC-layer bridge connecting two previously happy Appletalk user communities can tell you. It's sort of perplexing to me to see that nothing else along those lines has become available. I don't think the problem is really technical; there are no unsolved problems beyond protocols getting defined and used. I suspect that IP networking just hasn't (yet?) reached the kind of mass market where real simplicity of operation is obligatory. For now, most sites seem to be happy with solutions requiring administrative involvment on every aspect of network (re)configuration. There is lots of customer demand, but defining an interoperable, scalable solution to Dynamic Host Configuration is still at least partly a research issue (yes, I know of the broadcast name-claim schemes, but they don't scale, and all-knowing servers have to be duplicated, and the duplicates have to be kept in synchronization...). James B. VanBokkelen 26 Princess St., Wakefield, MA 01880 FTP Software Inc. voice: (617) 246-0900 fax: (617) 246-0901