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From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger)
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In article <48101@ut-emx.uucp> greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes:

   >
   >Wrong.  The PC is a standard!  I hate to break it to you.

   Excuse me while a laugh a while...

   There.  That's better.  Please bother to get some experience with the
   PeeCee line before trying to make statements like that.  Ask any person who
   has developed for that line how many times they have had to "port" their
   code to a different configuration of this so-called "standard" machine.
   It can be a significant amount of the development time in graphics-related
   applications like the ones I have done.  Also, try working with more than
   the 640K DOS memory limit.  There are different ways to do it depending on
   the CPU and what kind of memory it is.  I don't call that standard by any
   means. 

There are over 25 million IBM compatibles(probably many more), so it
is the standard.  I think that we are arguing about two different
things here.  And obviously I don't think much of the "standard".

   >Buy an Objective C compiler for the PeeCee or Sun workstation then.
   >Objective C is a lot easier to learn than C++, which I learned first.

   Why?  C++ is already an accepted standard.  I've never even seen an ad for
   an Objective C compiler (not that I've been looking for one).  Besides,
   ease of learning is generally an opinion.

Well, that's because only one computer company uses Objective C as its
standard programming language.  Stepstone does sell Obj. C for several
platforms, and I have seen a verion for the PeeCee.

And before you go spouting off about how great C++ is, could you check
out Eiffel or Smalltalk?

   >If you think having source is better, then tell Commodore.  When they
   >release their IB with Amiga DOS 3.0 in 1999, you will have the IB that
   >you've always wanted.

   Bzzt.  Interface-building software has been available for the Amiga longer
   than the 040 NeXT has been available.  

Could you rattle off a few names so that I could look at them?  You
sound like the kind of guy that would Bzzt me even all the IB's were
not quite up to par.

-Mike