Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!news From: melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: NeXT Press Release Message-ID: <+b5G-i&-1@cs.psu.edu> Date: 1 May 91 04:27:18 GMT References: <47889@ut-emx.uucp> <47946@ut-emx.uucp> <6o6G#_oz1@cs.psu.edu> <48101@ut-emx.uucp> <48163@ut-emx.uucp> Sender: news@cs.psu.edu (Usenet) Organization: Penn State Computer Science Lines: 42 In-Reply-To: greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu's message of 30 Apr 91 18:02:36 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: sunws4.sys.cs.psu.edu In article <48163@ut-emx.uucp> greg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) writes: No. My statement of several posts ago was that the Amiga interface- building software generated source. You responded with the statement, "Tell that to C= when they ship an IB in 1999..." which is simply inflammatory, and quite unrelated. The fact is that IB style programs are available for the Amiga, and have been for longer than the 040 NeXT has been available, like I said. Most programmers haven't seen the need for them, since the UI is easy enough to work with that they simply code it themselves. It would be a waste to include such software with the Amiga, since it would see very little use. On what basis are you making your conclusion? NeXT's IB is "included" with their machine, yes. (Included is in quotes since they seem to have their own definition of the word.) It's only included with the more expensive configurations. Others have to buy more storage space before they can get it. Of course, without the compiler you won't be using it anyway. :) We've been through this about half a dozen times. NeXT doesn't include it because all the software that they give you doesn't fit. You can get the extended from other sources(like me). In all honesty, though, I would want a 16MB machine with at least a 400MB hard disk for "real" development. However, many people just "play", and the can put IB and friends on the HD when they want to "play." The best way to buy a NeXT, and the way that I intend to, is to buy the cheap system($3250), add 8 or 12MB of RAM($400-$600) then buy a 660MB drive($1400). At least AmigaVision is included with all Amigas. Does NeXT include any multimedia authoring software? Maybe in 1999... ;-) Chalk one up for the Amiga. Now if only Commodore could get WP or some other decent word processor(and spreadsheet) so that the people can buy their machines. Amiga Vision might be neat, but many people (a big part of the market)use a computers for word processing and spreadsheets(databases too -- NeXT is weak here too). -Mike