Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!apple!shrinkit From: shrinkit@Apple.COM (Andrew Nicholas) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: So? Did the announcement happen? Message-ID: <52200@apple.Apple.COM> Date: 30 Apr 91 21:35:59 GMT References: <8934A47D6BDF205A45@MACALSTR.EDU> <414@alchemy.UUCP> <416@alchemy.UUCP> Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, CA Lines: 85 In article <416@alchemy.UUCP> hzink@alchemy.UUCP (Harry K. Zink) writes: >Instead of maybe thinking why people need to have such hopeless hopes, and >construct such rumors that they cling to, you felt it appropriate to smugly >mention that once again they were wrong and it seems to me that you enjoyed >that comment! Just curious, but how can you tell by reading the ASCII that I produce whether I meant something smugly or not? Incidently, I didn't mean anything smugly -- and I don't take any great joy in saying that people have spent energy that could have been put to better use by listening to yet another "the apple II is toast" rumor. At the time I wrote the letter you are talking about I was more frustrated than anything else -- it takes a great deal of patience to sit here and listen to people posting rumors which have absolutely no basis in fact, or are so outlandish that they'd never happen. I wasn't feeling smug, I was feeling frustrated. >Granted, one *CAN* get tired of the continued rumors resurfacing, and maybe >that was one of the reasons you adopted that attitude. It just seemed awfully >cocky coming from you, talking to the commoners about these parts... It all depends on how you read things I guess. If you think that I'm sitting here with some kind of attitude problem and that I think that I'm somehow "holier than thou," then that's your right -- but that's not what I think. >Of course, instead of maybe dealing with any of the issues I brought up (people >needing the illusions and hopes of rumors because they are being continually >disapointed by apple), all you could muster is: >> >> And, Harry, who are you to judge me? > >Which was a nice attempt to simply divert blame by trying to say:"HOw dare you >judge me considering your performance/past record/non-connection to the GS >world". You can read a lot into that, but since you seem to want me to explain it, I will. I was merely saying that I don't think you are qualified to judge the work that I've been doing because you haven't seen it. I've been hired by Apple and my work gets judged by my coworkers and my bosses. At some point it's probable that you may see some of the work that results, but the work that goes into what I do at Apple will only be seen by the people who work with me. >Well, Andy, but I do not need to be a GS guru (and I'm more than willingvto >admit that I use Macintosh and am very happy with it) to be able to tell when a >company pisses on its users, or when an individual seems overly arrogant. I'm very willing to admit that I use a Macintosh also. I have 2 in my cube at work along with my GS and logic analyzer. I don't understand? What the big deal about admitting that you use a Macintosh? (I must have missed something). No, I didn't address anything in your letter which dealt with how disgruntled Apple has made some of its users. Apple has done this, but I'm not capable of adequently addressing all that is involved, nor should I try. I'm just a software engineer, not someone higher up. One thing which you could do which might save you some time is not to try to convince me that I'm the root of all evil at Apple. This is how you've made me feel. Sorry if I sounded like I was "overly arrogant." I wasn't trying to be... it's just that I felt like you had been personally condemning me for working for Apple and also for not "producing." My response was just to point out that I am trying very hard to do the best that I can, but because I work for Apple, you're not going to see what I'm doing, that's all -- and because you can't see what I'm doing, I don't feel it's right of you to condemn me when you can't gather all the facts in my case. >But merely your attitude during that one comment of yours. I hope part of this letter allows you to understand that electronic communications can be sufficiently vague as to allow misunderstandings to occur, and I really hope that you don't think I'm "stuck up" or "arrogant" or whetever... Rather, if you have to judge me, judge by something tangible (the results) rather than something intangible (my work in progress). >Harry andy -- Andy Nicholas GEnie & America-Online: shrinkit Apple IIGS System Software CompuServe: 70771,2615 Apple Computer, Inc. InterNET: shrinkit@apple.com