Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpcvra.cv.hp.com!everett From: everett@hpcvra.cv.hp.com. (Everett Kaser) Newsgroups: comp.sys.handhelds Subject: Re: HP 95LX - somethings are missing. Message-ID: <25590156@hpcvra.cv.hp.com.> Date: 2 May 91 22:05:14 GMT References: <9104271550.AA09947@amuz2.amuz2.z.amu.se> Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA Lines: 42 I'd like to precede the following note with this comment: discussions of keyboards and keyboard layouts are ALWAYS religious issues and are ALWAYS settled by decree. Kaser's law of keyboard satisfaction goes something like this: If n people will be using a product (which has a keyboard), at LEAST sqrt(n) different keyboards would be required to totally satisfy EVERYONE. 1/2 :-). With that out of the way: Here's a (very crude, very quick) keyboard layout for the HP 95LX. What keys will you give up for "localized" keys? The obvious ones that you'll mention are the two () keys and the @ key. The ()'s are primary because of their heavy use in the calculator, and @ is primary for its use in 1-2-3. ESC TAB F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 F7 F8 F9 F10 upcur ON FILER COMM APPT PHONE MEMO 123 CALC ( ) BKSPC DEL lfcur dncur rtcur Q W E R T Y U I O P 7 8 9 / A S D F G H J K L 4 5 6 * CTRL Z X C V B N M --ENTER-- 1 2 3 - SHIFT ALT CHAR -S-P-A-C-E- , @ MENU SHIFT 0 . = + Now, remember that ANY function you take off of a primary key HAS to be moved SOMEWHERE, and there's NO room for more physical keys on the keyboard, and EVERY key already has a shifted function (except CTRL, SHIFT, ALT, CHAR SPACE, COMMA, and @). I can envision @ being placed on SHIFT-COMMA maybe (or perhaps some other scrambling) and that would free up *ONE* physical key for "localized" characters. So, two questions: 1) what "extra" characters do you need as primary keys? 2) where are you going to put them? Remember that SHIFT-somekey doesn't buy you anymore than CHAR-somekey. It's still a two-keystroke action. (I'm not trying to be cute/facecious/antigonistic here, I'm really interested in the information from #1 and the suggestions from #2). Also, remember that you can't grow the keyboard in order to add more physical keys. One of the primary attributes of this machine is it's size, and growing the size by any amount is less than desirable. Everett Kaser Hewlett-Packard Company ...hplabs!hp-pcd!everett work: (503) 750-3569 Corvallis, Oregon everett%hpcvra@hplabs.hp.com home: (503) 928-5259 Albany, Oregon