Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sun!amdcad!amdcad!military From: military@cbnews.att.com Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: WWII Italian Armor, Why so Bad? Keywords: design questions? Message-ID: <1991Apr29.051623.5663@amd.com> Date: 26 Apr 91 01:36:19 GMT References: <1991Apr23.053445.22865@amd.com> Sender: military@amd.com Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 43 Approved: military@amd.com From: military@cbnews.att.com hhm@ihlpy.att.com (Herschel H Mayo) writes: >I began to wonder why most, if not all, of the Italian tanks and >armored vehicles were so bad and poorly designed. I believe some of this can be credited to the lack of a real armor proponent in the Italian military between the wars. Germany, France, Britain, the USSR, and the USA all had tank advocates who did much to advance the design of AFV's. To varying extents, they all progressed beyond the theory of tanks for pure infantry support, and thereby pushed the designers to their limits. Italy simply missed this boat. At the beginning of the war, most of their armor was machinegun-armed, with only a few carrying antitank weapons. It shouldn't be forgotten that for much of the world, infantry support was still perceived as the tank's most important mission. In fact, Italy sold tanks to many of these countries, including Afghanistan, Albania, Austria, Brazil, Bulgaria, China, Denmark, Ethiopia, Greece, and Latvia. Japan can be viewed in a similar manner. Neither Italy nor Japan had to fight tanks in WWI, so they made less of an impression upon them. Japan, in fact, took the Italian example to the extreme. While the Japanese navy was able to keep pace with the times, their army remained steadfastly prepared to fight WWI. The campaign in China did little to change this thinking, and the Pacific islands campaigns added no practical experience. >Why did the Italian military industrial complex fail to supply their >land forces with modern weapons? This is a larger extrapolation of the tank question. With the possible exception of their navy, in no field of military hardware were the Italians able to remain up to the standard of the day. The Italians were prepared for a continuation of the pre-WWI colonial era, so perhaps the possibility of fighting another world power simply didn't enter into their calculations; in which case second-class equipment was sufficient. -- Bill Thacker Moderator, sci.military military-request@att.att.com (614) 860-5294 Send submissions to military@att.att.com