Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: lae@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Larry Enos x5572) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Shame Message-ID: Date: 2 May 91 08:37:15 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Interleaf, Inc. Lines: 37 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article jclark@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John Clark) writes: > In article jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > +|.................................. My view of this is that the > +|serpent was telling a half-truth. He promised not only that they > +|would learn something, but that the consequences God threatened would > +|not happen, and by implication I think that no harm would come to > +|them. First, the consequences did happen -- they died. And second, > > I think the serpent told the exact truth. The death the serpent talk > about, physical death, did not happen. The knowledge of good and > evil came and if God had not prevented them from eating of the 'tree > of life' they would have become as God. That's the reason for > expulsion from the garden. > > John Clark > jclark@ucsd.edu Jesus said: Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father, the devil and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own nature; for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do no believe Me. (John 8:43-45) How can someone who "does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him" and "is a liar and the father of lies" ever tell the `exact truth'. You must realize that, whatever the circumstances and however reasonable his arguments may seem, Satan is *always* a liar. And if we listen to what he says, we cannot hear the truth of God. Larry Enos