Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!wuarchive!udel!sbcs!eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu!dtiberio From: dtiberio@eeserv1.ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: It's really tough to debate with ignorant... Message-ID: <1991May8.001619.12563@sbcs.sunysb.edu> Date: 8 May 91 00:16:19 GMT References: <0o9Gv_t+1@cs.psu.edu> <11737@uwm.edu> <8raGbu-=1@cs.psu.edu> Sender: usenet@sbcs.sunysb.edu (Usenet poster) Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 158 In article <8raGbu-=1@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu (Michael D Mellinger) writes: > >(Gregory R Block) writes: > > >I'm just repeating what Amiga zealots have told me. Word processing >is weak on the Amiga. That is absolutely not true. My Amiga word processors beat Word Perfect hands down, as well as Microsoft Word for the Mac. You obviously have friends who are still using the word processor from the Appetizer disk. > That's a tad too large for an executable. I understand now why you > it... I imagine the nExt might actually be decent when you use a 1.2 > GB drive. > >How many apps have your purchased for your Amiga? The smallest HD >that nExt ships with there machines is 105MB, of which you have >20-40MB free. nExt sells 105MB, 200MB, 400MB, and 600MB systems, if >you want more disk space. I have a 40 meg hard drive, and 2.5 megs of ram, with the following software on my HARD DRIVE, plus lots of other stuff, and tons of pictures, fonts and source code, which fill a 12 megabyte partition: Quarterback: hard drive back up, defragmenter BAD: defragmentor Project D: floppy copy program, software catalog tool, parameters Disk X: disk editor NewZap: file editor AZ: text editor CED: ARexx text editor SID: file utility program DMSwin, Zoom, Lharc, Arc, Zoo, Booz, PkaZip, Lhunarc, Unarc, PowerPacker, Turbo Imploder, Warp, NibWarp, Unwarp: disk/file compressors Virus X, Virus Checker HiSoft Basic: BASIC compiler Amiga BASIC: BASIC interpreter Lattice C: C compiler Kick Pascal: Pascal compiler ARexx: Rexx interpreter DICE: C compiler PCQ: Pascal compiler Amax II: Macintosh emulator Bars and Pipes: music program Deluxe Music Construction Set: music program Sonix: sound program Future Sound: sound program Pagesetter 1.61: desktop publisher Pagestream 1.3: desktop publisher Pro Page 2.0: desktop publisher Pro Draw: structured drawing program for desktop publishers Pro Write 3.0: word processor excellence 2.0: word processor Imagine: 3D modeling program Turbo Silver: 3D modeling program Sculpt 3D: 3D modeling program Surface Master: Imagine surface program Pixel 3D: 2D to 3D image converter Deluxe Paint III: IFF paint program, animation Photon Paint 2.0: HAM paint program, animation SpectraColor: HAM paint program, animation The Art Department: converts files from various formats Image Lab: converts files from various formats Aegis Draw 2000: CAD structured drawing program Pixmate: use to adjust attributes of HAM and IFF pictures JR Comm 1.02: terminal program, VT100, zmodem Handshake 2.20: terminal program, VT100, external protocols QIX Sim City Blockout >Also, drives are getting cheap, you can buy a 660MB drive for around >$1500, if you buy from a third party. Yeah, if your a rich cheap person. I bought my hard drive for $250. > Of course, flames aren't necessary, and if you feel it necessary to > use them, be my guest, but I won't stand idly by, either. I can chew > your shaggy, ugly butt out as easily as the next guy. And frankly, > I'm sure I can do things with my Amiga that you probably couldn't > think of... You don't have IPC, do you? Or large amounts of software? > >Of course, the nExt has IPC. What do you consider to be a large >amount of software? How much good productivity software can you get I consider large amounts of software to be more than what is currently available for the nExt. >for the Amiga? > > And at least I can relax with a game. Either you are seriously > sexually repressed, or you could use a vacation. Even a computer as > sorry as a Mac can do the things you say, albeit for more money, > assuming you don't get the nExt with 16mb of ram and a 1.2 gb hd to > hold your system software... And even then they'll have color on you. > 24 bit, not that 12 bit crap. Christ, even the lowly Amiga has $500 > 24 bit color... Sway your comments toward dev/null, pal. I'm sure > your system will appreciate the only support it will get. > >Ok, am I missing something or am I arguing with an idiot? The Amiga You are missing the point. For a 24bit color board, that works on ANY Amiga computer, ask for: DCTV $389 ColorBurst $500 (currently available in Australia) Ham-E $289 16.7 million colors to choose from :). >500 and friends(A3000 is better...) have 4096 colors which is the same >as the nExtstation color. 2^12 = 4096. It's pretty bad when a user >of a different brand of computer has to give you the facts about your >machine. Here is a fact about the nExt: It is way overpriced, sluggish, wasteful with memory, has extremely poor expandability, and isn't in too many American households. >Let's get this straight, the 105MB nExt does hold all of the system >software. Otherwise, it would boot up when you turned the power on. >The 20MB of demos, source and examples aren't system software. The >average Joe is not going to need man pages. Sooooooo, nExt said let's >leave them off so the machine doesn't cost as much. > >I think some of you guys should be required to take a written test >before you are allowed on the net. I'm not saying that all Amiga >people are ignorant, but some of you guys definitely are. And out of good sportsmanship, I suggest you volunteer to be the first. >-Mike > >God, I just wasted 15 minutes arguing with someone who doesn't know >how many colors his computer has. What a time sucker? And out of the kindness of my heart, I spent another 15 minutes making corrections to your misinterpretations. -- David Tiberio SUNY Stony Brook 2-3481 AMIGA DDD-MEN "If you think that we're here for the money, we could live without it. But the world isn't too good here, and it wasn't always like that." Un ragazzo di Casalbordino, Italia.