Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!agate!eris.berkeley.edu!doug From: doug@eris.berkeley.edu (Doug Merritt) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Invert Zoo and a reply inherited memory Keywords: Invertebrate Zoology Message-ID: <1991May4.190132.22684@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 4 May 91 19:01:32 GMT References: <1991May2.181440.14045@athena.mit.edu> <1991May3.162715.21825@hollie.rdg.dec.com> Sender: root@agate.berkeley.edu (Charlie Root) Distribution: sci.bio Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 34 In article <1991May3.162715.21825@hollie.rdg.dec.com> winalski@psw.enet.dec.com (Paul S. Winalski) writes: > The educated flatworms were gound up and fed to a group >of flatworms that did not know how to run the maze. [...] >I think later Biological research has invalidated these studies. Right. This, the discrediting of Penfield's interpretation of his experiments with electrical stimulation of the brain, and the discrediting of the "you only use 10% of all the parts of your brain", are probably the three most important debunkings of things that "everyone knows" about the brain. (I've heard third hand reports of some paper that claims that that it takes 50 to 100 years for scientific research, or its debunking, to become common cultural knowledge --- things that "everyone knows", not just scholars. Things are probably not quite this simple, but it's probably true that it will take a very long time until these three things cease to be things that "everyone knows".) >This concept of RNA inheritance of memory has been widely adopted by >science fiction authors (e.g., Frank Herber's DUNE books). Bad example. Dune assumed no such thing. It did assume a mystical transference of memory from one generation to the next (apparently to/from females only), and (arguably) tied this to some sort of inherited cellular memory, but RNA was not mentioned, the tie between neural memory and reproductive system was never explained, and the emphasis was 100% on mysticism, not any assumption of a scientifically explicable mechanism. Dune is primarily sociological science fiction; it makes little or no pretense of being "hard" science fiction. Doug -- -- Doug Merritt doug@eris.berkeley.edu (ucbvax!eris!doug) or uunet.uu.net!crossck!dougm