Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!ucla-cs!usenet From: rpetsche@mrg.PHYS.CWRU.Edu (rolfe g petschek) Newsgroups: sci.med.aids Subject: Re: (3128) HIV -- early strains Message-ID: <1991May7.023109.28961@cs.ucla.edu> Date: 6 May 91 20:26:55 GMT References: <1991May5.090755.6244@cs.ucla.edu> <1991May6.184309.10414@cs.ucla.edu> Sender: news@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu Reply-To: rpetsche@mrg.PHYS.CWRU.Edu (rolfe g petschek) Organization: CWRU Physics Department Lines: 32 Approved: phil@wubios.wustl.edu Note: non-commercial reproduction. Nntp-Posting-Host: squid.cs.ucla.edu Archive-Number: 3136 In article <1991May6.184309.10414@cs.ucla.edu> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes: >In article <1991May5.090755.6244@cs.ucla.edu> IQTI400%INDYCMS.BITNET@mvs.oac.ucla.edu (MacPhil) writes: >>There are a number for stories, varying in degrees of believability, >>which have surfaced in pursuit of a "Patient Zero" (the first human >>to be determined to have contracted the disease, regardless of how). I believe that I learned (actually in this news group) A British sailor died in the late 1950's of a unknown disease in a hospital in Britian. This hospital routinely saves tissue samples and a physician at that hospital remembered this recently and recalled its similarity to the current profile of HIV. Four tissue samples were made, two from this patient and two from a patient who died about the same time in an automobile accident. One of each kind of sample, with a 'doubly blind' label was given to each of two laboratories. Each of these laboratories analyzed the samples using PCR (polymerase chain reaction) a scheme which grossly amplifies certian genomic (DNA or RNA) material, in this case a portion of the HIV genome - provided it is present in each of the original samples. [Incidently this is also another but more expensive way to test for HIV and will, in principle, detect HIV exposure prior to seroconversion]. DNA from the samples was then analyzed in various ways [probably by hybridization to a radioactive probe of the relevant portion of the HIV genome]. The sailor's tissue was found, in both labs (after comparison with the 'key' to be HIV+, that of the accident victim to be HIV-. This argues that HIV was around in the late '50's, at least in some populations. Sorry not to give references but this should not be hard to find. -- Rolfe G. Petschek Petschek@cwru.bitnet Associate Professor of Physics rgp@po.cwru.edu Case Western Reserve University (216)368-4035 Cleveland Oh 44106-2623