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From: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Why I Am Not a Feminist
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Date: 4 May 91 14:35:22 GMT
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| There is the following process on the net:
| 1) X expresses some feminist anti-male position Y.
| 2) Non-feminists debate with X, feminist stay out of the debate.
| 3) *After* the debate someone says "the feminist position is Y".
| 4) The same feminists who stayed out of the previous debate make a big
|    debate because they claim that the feminist position is not Y.

| As long as you are not willing to debate other feminists about
| anti-male positions, "you're not one of the feminists that count."

In article <9104270827.14195@mydog.UUCP> (Gordon Fitch) writes:

>In order to play this game properly, however, you have to inform all
>the players that they are in it, and when it starts.  

Why?

In *my* opinion what people do when they think that "it 
does not count" shows more about what they really are.

>for invective.  Finally, during a fourth phase, players would argue
>about what the score was, and who won.

>    "I did _too_ oppose Brownmiller's position!"

>    "Yes, but you didn't denounce her by name.  You don't
>    get any points."

Last time that I complained about "Against Our Will", in soc.feminism,
the feminist response was a strong support.  Read Cindy's archive if
you don't believe.  I don't see any reason to play the game once again,
it is rather obvious that the men-bashing just did not bother enough
any feminist, but the "Against Our Will" bashing was quite irritating
for several of them.

Since the play, in the net, is for the audience 
it was enough to show my point.

Feel free to complain.

Hillel                                                 gazit@cs.duke.edu

"Indeed, one of the earliest forms of male bonding must have
been the gang rape of one woman by a band of marauding men."
                                 -- ("Against Our Will", Susan Brownmiller)