Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!uunet!stanford.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: James.Quilty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (James William Quilty) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: the Sabbath & Soul... Message-ID: Date: 7 May 91 03:42:12 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Computer Science, Victoria University, Wellington, NewZealand Lines: 46 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , george@electro.com (George Reimer) writes: |> Jim, you seem to have missed the context of what Jesus was saying. |> |> "love God and love your neighbour" |> |> is a summary of the ten commandments! |> Bzztt, No, sorry, not quite true - rather (as Jesus and Paul, etc. said) the Ten Commandments (and any other commandments besides) are BASED ON "Love your neighbour and love God, etc." NOT "love God, etc." are BASED ON the commandments. You know that (as is pointed out in the Bible) that the Law of the old testament can be observed without loving God or your neighbour - saying that loving God and loving your neighbour MEANS keeping the Ten Commandments is non-scriptural. The above verse can in no way be used to justify a position of: "Jesus is saying here that we must keep the Ten Commandments" because when the context of the Bible verse is taken into account the Ten Commandments are not even mentioned ! IF we did HAVE to keep a set of rules to love God (and hence be saved - those who don't love God are on the 'questionable' list in my book [but not, in my opinion totally lost - that's God's job to judge, not mine, thankfully]) then salvation is no longer by faith, it is by keeping the 'set of rules'. The Bible has lots to say about working your way to salvation (I'm sure we all know the relevant verses) - by the ten commandments or any other means - which is why I will not accept that Jesus is saying: "keep the Ten Commandments" in the above verse. Rather Jesus says just what the verse says - nothing less, nothing more ! |> Jesus was not saying anything new, but rather giving the same |> message that Scripture had always given. Quite true - but I don't think that the Love that Jesus teaches in this verse is in any way connected with law-keeping (unlike the OT) so I would oppose that interpretation of the verse - like I said, It violates 'FAITH ALONE' and is not supported by the verse itself, just by phrases like: "now this means..." et hoc genus omne. Jim