Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!princeton!njin!paul.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: "Novus Ordo" Mass Message-ID: Date: 7 May 91 04:18:01 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 22 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu I have been reading Malachi Martin's book _The Keys Of This Blood_ The major topic of the book is the geopolitical ambitions of John Paul II. As a whole, the book makes quite interesting reading (and not because it fits any private agenda of mine). In an epilogue, Martin analyzes some other things which he feels are wrong with the Catholic Church, which John Paul has to some extent ignored whilst building his geopolitical ambitions. He claims that the "Novus Ordo" mass which has been translated into the vernacular since Vatican II is not in general a valid sacrament unless special care is taken which is not noted in the instruction to the priest. He further claims that although the traditional Roman rite was never repudiated, many clerics have claimed it was and tried to eliminate it, citing a mandate from Vatican II which they did not have. My question is this: Martin gives no ideas as to why such a modern mass might be invalid. Any Catholics out there have a clue? Are there Catholic groups besides the Society of St. Pius X which are concerned about it? Is Martin a member or sympathizer with this? Steve Timm