Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!uupsi!njin!paul.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: fluffy@buhub.bradley.edu (Jeffrey Waltersdorf) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: The demons Message-ID: Date: 8 May 91 08:15:29 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Bradley University Lines: 28 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In ROBERT@kontu.utu.fi (Robert W. Johnson) writes: >If you look at Revelation chapter 4, the first ever view of heaven, you will >not find a single Christian. it is only after the first rapture, when the >overcoming Christians living at the end of this age are called up yonder to >cast satan out of heaven (yes, Satan is there--see Job and remember that >he sits in front of God accusing us day and night), that Revelation records I was always under the impression that Satan was already thrown out of Heaven, during the life of Jesus, from Revelations 12:7-9: And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. (NIV) This would also explain the references throughout Revelations of Satan as he "who was, is not, but will be". Comments or other interpretations, anyone? "Nature has given the hamster (\-/) Your friendly neighborhood the greatest defense of all; /o_o\ 6-foot mutant rabid hamster, when cornered, it can make it- ( W ) Fluffy, aka Jeff Waltersdorf self look like a lump of oat bran." fluffy@buhub.bradley.edu <><